The Future of Windows Movie Maker... in Windows Live

Written by:  • Edited by: Rhonda Callow
Updated Feb 5, 2010
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I've been living with Windows Movie Maker since it was introduced in late 2000. As an entry level video editing app included in the operating system, it grew in features as part of XP and Vista. Now it's been totally redone and moved to the downloadable Windows Live suite.

The Initial Release

Windows Live Movie Maker will be the simplest and easiest to use version of Movie Maker ever... yet more powerful. That's what the announcements said. We'll explore it to see if it's user interface and features align with the statements.

Movie Maker's roots are in the era of mini-DV camcorders, when connecting the camcorder to a computer with a firewire cable got you the easiest capture process, the best digital video quality, and problem-free files to edit. But over the years public preference shifted to tapeless hard drive, DVD, and flash card camcorders, along with using the video options of digital cameras and cell phones. Adapting to the shifts, Microsoft moved the future of Movie Maker into the camp of the Windows Live Suite.

It can handle a much broader variety of source files, has a minimal number of editing features, and more hooks into online host services such as YouTube.

The few users who are heavily into editing videos, or those such as myself with mini-DV camcorders and tapes, will miss the familiar interface and features, and need to adapt. There are many other software apps in my video-editing toolbox to cover the features being dropped.

After a couple public beta versions spanning a year, Microsoft released the final app in August 2009. It's a free download for any and all. Unlike other Windows Live apps, this one runs only on Vista and Windows 7 systems. Here's the download link

http://download.live.com/moviemaker

In Vista it doesn't replace or conflict with Movie Maker 6 or the optional v2.6. For Windows 7 it's the only version of Movie Maker offered by Microsoft.

In their zest to streamline Movie Maker, Microsoft went pretty far. Many users are upset about this version only having a storyboard view of a project, dropping entirely the option to work in a classic timeline view. I can roll with most changes but, when it comes to my personal movie projects, I find myself still mostly using the version 2.1 on my XP system.

The series will have 6 articles:

  1. this overview
  2. the types of source material you can use... pictures, video clips, music and audio
  3. the editing phase
  4. publishing to a website host
  5. saving a movie to your hard drive
  6. the optional plug-ins to publish the video to YouTube and other online hosts

Microsoft has the talent and resources to produce a great product. One can argue about which features a video editing/movie making application should have. Personally I'm more interested in how well they deliver on whatever features they include.

Making videos and movies is a complex process. Some software can hide most of the complexity so users are not aware of it, or don't need to get involved. Higher end software can provide options that engross and consume users in infinite editing details and variations. Time will tell where Windows Live Movie Maker strikes the balance. It's obvious to Microsoft and myself that the entry level versions 1, 2 and 6 of Movie Maker were too complex for most users and this significant step to simplify the software will be better for most.

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PapaJohn Apr 30, 2011 3:15 AM
Hi Anonymous....
About your DVDs....

You can expect some home made DVDs to not play or play right on computers and stand-alone DVD players. I test each one and throw away the discs that don't work well, not knowing why it didn't work as well as the others.

My experience with Windows 7 has been with Windows DVD Maker, not Roxio MyDVD so I don't know if you can tell it to skip the menu and start with the movie... it's an option in Windows DVD Maker. Search your settings and options in MyDVD 10.

I used previous versions of MyDVD (up thru version 8) in Windows XP and, when I ran into problems with it, which I did at times, I changed to using other software as the problems were too hard to resolve.
movie man Apr 29, 2011 7:57 PM
Burned DVD
I saved my Live Movie Maker Project as a movie to the desktop. I then used Roxio My DVD 10 to burn the movie. It doesn't work on any PC. It remains "stuck" on the title page and you can't go forward or backward. ( have audio and video for that page) Also burned 3 exactly the same way. Two play beautifully on DVD player + TV other one gets stuck on title/menu page and goes nowhere. WHY? Is it because they are using a Blu Ray DVD player? It is possible to disable the title/page choice so it goes directly to the movie?
PapaJohn Jan 9, 2011 3:39 PM
Hi Kayla
You can't open an MM2.6 project file in WLMM or vice versa...

MM2.6 is a pretty quick download and installation, and can be uninstalled when you're done if you no longer need it.

You'll need the source files in addition to the project file.
Kayla Jan 9, 2011 3:04 PM
Transferring Movies
I just made a movie using WMM 2.6 . I also just found out my little laptop is too small to be able to save the movie to My Computer. I want to transfer the movie to another computer using either homeshare or a usb memory stick, but the comuter I want to transfer it to has WLMM and won't let me run the movie when I tried to transfer it using both those things. Do I have to download WMM 2.6 on my desktop because the laptop and desktop are two different versions of movie makers?
PapaJohn Dec 7, 2010 1:52 AM
Hi Anthony...
You can't make an interactive menu using any version of Movie Maker.... that's something made with DVD authoring software such as Windows DVD Maker.
Anthony Dec 7, 2010 1:24 AM
Menu
I would like to add a movie menu to the beginning of the video so that I can make this a dvd and then have a play button on it so that we can have it as a dvd and assistance
PapaJohn Nov 22, 2010 3:00 PM
Hi Marsha...
As you don't mention which version of Windows or Movie Maker you're using, and they type(s) of source files, I can't make any general comments.

Provide some specifics in a post at the forums at:

www.windowsmoviemakers.net
marsha Nov 22, 2010 2:43 PM
WMM
Hello, I am still working with the old version of WMM and am having trouble with my audio (music) when I have a transition on one of the video frames. The music becomes static. Is there a way to avoid/correct this? Thanks for all your help. Also, any website that I can go to for good directions on WMM?
PapaJohn Oct 19, 2010 11:38 PM
Hi Ashley...
I still shoot video with a mini-DV camcorder and capture via firewire.... but yes, the tapes are no longer carried by my local Sam's Club, new mini-DV camcorders don't show up on theirs or many other store shelves, and many to most new computers don't come with the connection.

If it's a desktop computer you can easily add a firewire card to a spare slot. If a laptop bring it to your local Best Buy and see if you can get a firewire adapter that goes into the PMCIA or express card slot. They're available online.
Ashley Oct 19, 2010 11:12 PM
Importing Video
I am novice movie maker, in fact I have done only one project some time ago. I used a firewire cable to import video from my mini dv camcorder. I have a new computer and I just realised it doesn't have a firewire port... has this been superceded and if so, how do I import video now?
NicoLee Aug 2, 2010 9:59 AM
Movie MAker Response
I dislike this. I thoroughly miss the timeline feature because it seems more 'hands-on' work for me. The new version is too basic, i can't figure out how or what to do because it's SO basic, which makes it complicated? i'm switching to an older version.
shamendra Jun 6, 2010 7:20 AM
RE: The Future of Windows Movie Maker... in Windows Live
i like a movie maker
PapaJohn May 3, 2010 8:01 PM
WLMM versus MM2.6 quality....
WLMM came along when High Def video became popular and a number of its quality choices are for HD sized video. MM2.6 was an extension of MM2.1 which had standard DVD quality as its upside quality choice.... so I can see that many feel WLMM is superior. But advanced users who can use custom profiles might not see any differences as they can use ones that produce HD sized movies from MM2.1 or MM2.6.

I havn't heard of anyone having issue with freezing simply by switching to widescreen 16:9.
Mario May 3, 2010 2:56 PM
WLMM narration+music
Thank you again, PapaJohn!

I just downloaded WMM 2.6. People say movies made with WLMM have better quality, is it true? I tried to change the proportion to panoramic (16:9) but WLMM always freezes when I try it.

Now I'll proceed to read your article, TYVM.

Mario
PapaJohn May 3, 2010 2:32 PM
Mario.....
seems like you understand the scenario and what your options are.... WLMM has an audio problem, lowering the volume even when the starting volume is aready too low. The work-arounds are to use other apps such as Audacity and MM2.6....

I'm running 5 versions of Movie Maker on Windows 7.... see this article...

http://www.brighthub.com/multimedia/video/articles/25282.aspx
Mario May 3, 2010 2:12 PM
WLMM narration and music
Thanks PapaJohn for your reply. In the meantime, I figured out I had to save the movie and then add it to a new project as video. After that, I could add narration. Yet, I noticed the sound volume was too low, although I set it (audio) to max level. When playing the saved video in WMP, the sound volume was even lower. I increased the audio levels in the Windows sound mixer, but I'd still like a louder sound. Is there a way to achive that?

I can use Audacity to mix sounds and then add the saved audio file to the project, maybe that will also solve the volume problem.

Also, I'm considering the download of WMM 2.6, seems it works fine with Windows 7 and allows video capture from eg the webcam and music+narration.
PapaJohn May 3, 2010 3:16 AM
Hi Mario...
WLMM only saves movies as WMV files.... when heading to a second pass it's good to save the first time to a quaity level higher than (or at least equal to) the quality you're aiming for.

WLMM doesn't break a large clip into smaller ones as classic versions of Movie Maker might do... and you don't drag it to the timeline... all clips added to your WLMM project are automatically on the 'timeline'.... the comment was made about MM2.1 in XP, not WLMM in Winows 7. Basically you need to save your movie with either narration or music, start a new project, add the saved movie and add the other audio clip(s).
Mario May 2, 2010 6:24 PM
Import as a clip
HI Papajohn,

I'm new to WLMM and have it installed in Windows 7. I read your advice on how to add narration and music in two steps, but I still don't have an idea on how to do it.

Here:
http://www.eggheadcafe.com/software/aspnet/31192214/add-narration-and-music-s.aspx

You said:
"With only the one audio track in Movie Maker, you have to do the project in
two passes. Render it with either the narration or music first, import the
movie as a single large clip, and then add the other sound track."

In which format must I save the movie with the music?
How can I import the movie as a single large clip and drag it to the timeline?
Finally, how can I add the narration?

Thank you for any help.
Mario
PapaJohn Feb 8, 2010 6:38 PM
Sheila, I don't know how to count.....
Stupid questions..... I only see stupid answers.
2 questions.... I only see one question mark but read into your comment a number of possible issues. 100 transitions.... I have over 1,000 transitions and effects on MM2.1 on my XP laptop.

About references to Notepad and file extensions, save it first as a .txt file, the default for Notepad, and then rename it to .xml. If you can't see the file extension to rename it, that's because it's hidden by default and you need to turn on the option of seeing it.

Seriously, I've asked Microsoft what it is I should be counting when the reference is made to the limit of 100.... and I've never gotten a good answer. I don't count and havn't bumped into a limit. Programmers sometimes count differently than other people.

Freeze issues are covered by my website's (www.papajohn.org) Problem Solving > Crashes and Hangs page.
sheila erickson Feb 8, 2010 6:12 PM
i just have one stupid oh 2 questions
i have entered many transitions and effects in notepad. now dosen't seem to pick them up. my question is save as all files or txt. someone on utube said all files. anyways i know you know. please advise. also i found a download on microsoft that said if your movie maker is set to only do 100 transitions and freezes. download this and it wouldn't download. do you know if there is a fix for this? i make large videos that freeze and takes me way longer than it should to complete.
thank you and bless
sheila
PapaJohn Feb 7, 2010 1:52 PM
a couple responses
Yes Susy, the downloading is free....

Kathy, the highest quality from a mini-DV camcorder is via firewire and today not all computers include the connection. Be sure to check for it... a low cost item but being dropped because fewer people use it as time goes by with newer model camcorders being USB based. Other than that most any desktop today can easily handle video.

Susy Feb 7, 2010 1:18 PM
Free
Is all the downloading here free?
Kathy_ Feb 7, 2010 1:06 PM
New computer for video editing
I'm in the process of researching the purchase of a new desktop. I would like to use this computer to copy 8mm and mini dv tape onto DVDs. Could you make suggestions on what I should consider in my new computer?
PapaJohn Feb 6, 2010 1:28 AM
Sharon, read my other article...
http://www.brighthub.com/multimedia/video/articles/25282.aspx

I'm running 5 versions of Movie Maker on my Windows 7 systems.
Sharon Feb 6, 2010 12:43 AM
Now What?
I loved Vista Movie Maker. I want to combine photos and videos and music with effects and different transitions. I love the control I had over the end product as I sinc the whole thing to the music. Now what do I do since Windows 7Or is blew off Movie Maker? Is there anything out there that can do what I need? Or is Live Movie Maker my only options on Windows 7?
ZippyDSMlee Dec 27, 2009 3:04 AM
Ok...ok
Rant got the best of me, I know I know semi old article and all but so far WMM live is focused on letting people with no video editing skill play with video editing, Now everyone else is SOL until they bring it up to snuff or people downgrade to use it. Right now its a bit of a joke... and they need to tell people they can easily use 2.6....I am using it with better save profiles.

ZippyDSMlee Dec 26, 2009 1:31 PM
uuhhgggg
The new movie maker live is horrible without the time line editor to streamline and maximize the editing process you can't do much with this very limited and dime a dozen share ware feeling app.....

If I could switch to time line mode I would have nothing to complain about but this is just BS....


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PapaJohn Nov 19, 2009 1:26 PM
Resonse to vindhya
today the size of a photo is often 5 to 10 megapixels.... but the size of a movie frame is 1/3 of a megapixel for a high quality standard DVD and about 2 megapixels... don't judge a video frame with the same expectations as a Photoshop picture.

Custom profiles can be tweaked to get higher video quality, but you have to balance higher quality with the ability of computers to play it smoothly and the internet connection to support timely downloading as it plays.

Depending on your version of Movie Maker, the timeline view could be a rough draft mode with quality knocked down for smoother viewing (MM2.1 in XP is that way).
vindhya Nov 19, 2009 12:50 PM
quality of the image

edited a few pictures using photoshop and when i imported them in to a movie maker preview the quality is good but when added them in to a timeline the images are showing blurred. i have tried everything using custom profile but it doen't work

Read more: http://www.brighthub.com/multimedia/video/articles/14266.aspx#ixzz0XKTPKYSu
vindhya Nov 19, 2009 12:48 PM
the quality of the photo
i edited a few pictures using photoshop and when i imported them in to a movie maker preview the quality is good but when added them in to a timeline the images are showing blurred. i have tried everything using custom profile but it doen't work.
PapaJohn Sep 12, 2009 12:04 AM
Comments about comments....
Cho... I don't know what to suggest beyond reinstalling Windows Live, and even Windows 7 if needed... before doing those, you might try posting at

http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/wlmedia/threads

TYL... Windows 7 and Windows Live Movie Maker come with some codecs but not others. It sometimes helps find them but sometimes doesn't. It's much better than classic versions of Movie Maker but you'll not be out of codec hell.

MPEG4 is a high level specification... there are dozens, hundreds, someday thousands of implementations with different codecs. If you got a disc with the camcorder, install any codecs on it.

I don't have a Sanyo camcorder and havn't installed any codecs from Sanyo... but my Sanyo MP4 test files import and work OK.

If you can't get a file into Movie Maker, then it's file conversion as usual. Tracking down codec related issues is like detective work.... if you're comfortable uninstalling and reinstalling Pinnacle, I don't think you'll do any damage. If you're running Windows 7 this early in the game, worst case is a full reinstall..... good luck.
TYL Aug 22, 2009 12:19 PM
MP4 videos not recognised
The MPEG-4 videos capture at my Sanyo Xacti camcorder is still not recognised in Windows Live Movie Maker; the thumbnail showed a 'x'. I have checked thess clips using GSPOT and under 'video, status showed as ' 'Codec status Undetermined', codec:'mp4a-MPEG-4-AAC LC'. I used to edit these clips using WMM (without need to separately convert the MP4 to some Windows friendly format) until lately when WMM stop recognising these clips anymore after I installed Pinnacle Studio 12 Ultimate. When I saw your recent posting that Windows Live Movie Maker is able to accept MP4, I thought finally there is hope to go back to using Windows software to edit my video clips, but this does not seem to be so. I suspect that the Pinnacle installation must have somehow corrupted some of the codec programs in my laptop, but I just don't know how to undo the damage. I tried doing a system restore to the point before the Pinnacle installation but failed. Any suggestion? Do you think i can undo the damage by uninstalling the Pinnacle Studio? Thanks.
Cho Aug 11, 2009 2:12 AM
Help? Please?
I tried to install the Windows Live Movie Maker but results to just install Windows Live ONLY...
and Movie 2.6 for Vista doesn't want to install, i have a Winows 7 and it says "this program works only on Vista" HELP! PLEASE?!
PapaJohn Jul 9, 2009 1:34 PM
Capturing Video in Windows 7
Right.... MM2.6 and Windows Live Movie Maker don't have features to capture video. That task has shifted since Vista to other software. I use the capture wizard that is associated with Windows Live Photo Gallery.
Anonymous Jun 12, 2009 7:21 AM
did not work for me
both movie maker 2.6 and live movie maker beta did not work in windows 7 rc 7100. they did not recognize any dvi device when connecting the the camcorder. I tried two different camcorder and result is the same. but another software in my computer recognize and record video via firewire.
any suggestion?
 
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