Windows 7 - Record-Capture-Import Camcorder Video

Article by PapaJohn (5,292 pts ) , published Mar 9, 2009

Over 5 versions of Windows Movie Maker the word used to get video has changed 3 times. You Record camcorder video with MM1, Capture with MM2 and Import with MM6 and Windows Live. Let's see how each version 'gets' video from my Sony TRV80 mini-DV camcorder tapes using a firewire cable in Windows 7.

Setup Mini-DV Camcorder with Firewire

When I connected a mini-DV camcorder using firewire, and turned it on in VCR mode, nothing happened. It didn't ping, popup, or give other evidence of noticing. MM1, MM2.1, MM2.6 and MM6 didn't recognize it.

The Windows Live suite, with it's Video Acquire Wizard tucked into the Photo Gallery folder with Windows Live Movie Maker resolved it. After downloading and installing the suite, connecting the camcorder resulted in it being recognized. The needed driver was automatically found and installed in a few seconds, and I was ready to start getting camcorder clips.

I'll start with Movie Maker 1, the original version, and work up to the newest ones. I'm running each in XP or Vista compatiblity mode as appropriate, in case it helps.

Record (get video) with Movie Maker 1

Recording video from a mini-DV camcorder typically offers you the choice of a large DV-AVI file or a smaller compressed one in WMV format. I prefer the larger higher quality files up front, for maximum quality. Then when a project is finished I'll save it to whatever file type and quality is appropriate, depending on how I'm distributing it.

The DV-AVI file type recorded by MM1 is type II, a sightly larger file then the newer type I made by MM2 and higher. The type II is the same visually, but has an extra copy of the audio track. Some older software only works with type II files, while newer software accepts either.

The file comes into the computer as a single large DV-AVI file. MM1 then imports it into a collection as a set of clips, auto detecting the scenes and naming each based on time/date info. See the image below, which shows clips from a 6 minute segment. It's interesting that the footage was originally captured using MM2.1 in XP, made into a project there, saved to a DV-AVI file and copied to the camcorder. Now it's coming back from the camcorder tape using MM1 running in Windows 7, and the time/date code survived the whole trip.

Capture (get video) with Movie Maker 2.1

Version 2.1 is the movie making workhorse of XP. It's been around now for about 5 years and has provided endless hours of fun for those engrossed in making custom effects, transitions and title overlays. If anyone is going to miss the current version as they move to Windows 7, it'll be the dedicated users of MM2.1.

The capturing process in Windows 7 worked as in XP. The auto-creation of clips resulted in the same breakdown as in MM1, a dozen clips named after the time/date stamp info. The DV-AVI file is the newer type I instead of the type II obtained by MM1.

Import (get video) with Vista versions MM6 and MM2.6

Movie Maker 6 is in all versions of Vista while MM2.6 was a special release for those whose graphics cards didn't effectively run MM6.

Movie Maker in Vista shells out the importing process to a wizard. MM2.6 is a stripped down version of MM2.1 from XP, with the Capture feature removed.

I couldn't get the Vista capture wizard to work in Windows 7, the only one that didn't.

Import (get video) with Windows Live Video Acquire Wizard

The Video Acquire Wizard in the Windows Live Suite is the default for importing in Windows 7. When the camcorder is plugged in and turned on in VCR mode, it pops up to start the importing process.

The file created is a type I DV-AVI. When the import session is finished, Photo Gallery opens automatically and shows the thumbnail for the new clip. Windows Live Movie Maker doesn't have the collections feature of MM1 thru MM6... think of Windows Live Photo Gallery as the collection library. You bring the clips into Windows Live Movie Maker as needed for a project.

This is the usual and preferred way to get video from a mini-DV camcorder into Windows 7.

Summary

Movie Maker versions 1 and 2 are more self-contained applications than the software app teams of Vista and Windows 7. With a camcorder driver installed, MM1 and MM2 can be used in the Windows 7 environment.to get video from a mini-DV camcorder connected by firewire.

MM6 and the newest Windows Live Movie Maker are more like key players on a team, not stand-alone stars. The Vista team with MM6 uses a CaptureWizard which doesn't work in the Windows 7 environment, while the Windows Live team uses the WLXVideoAcquireWizard in the Photo Gallery folder, something designed to work in Windows 7 (and Vista).

I have more than enough ways to get my mini-DV camcorder tape footage into Windows 7. As my camcorder supports 'pass-thru', analog video sources connected to the camcorder with RCA and S-video cables are converted to DV by the camcorder.

I used a mini-DV camcorder and DV-AVI files to illustrate the process. Having WMV files created instead of DV-AVI is an option with each tool.

The next article in this series will look at the features available in these 5 versions of Movie Maker to create and edit movie projects.

Images

Movie Maker 1

12 Comments

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Nov 20, 2009 11:31 AM
Response to Michel
I've never used software named 'Movie Maker HP'... but I see it listed on various websites. That's not the Microsoft Movie Maker versions I'm writing about and you would need help elsewhere.

If you're referring to one of the Microsoft Windows Movie Maker versions in the article, the downloadable version 2.6 installs and runs on Windows 7 and the frame snapshot feature works the same as it does in Vista and MM2.1 in XP.
Nov 20, 2009 9:05 AM
Michel
Capturing a picture from windows movie maker not working ? Also date and time from comcoder not shoving on finish movie ?
My previous version of movie maker Hp work fine in importing a picture from camcoder, and time and date was evident of finish product. Please help need ASP. Work in a legal profession.

Thank you
Nov 15, 2009 7:03 PM
Dee
windows essentials
Thank you Papa John!----the photo gallery in essentials has allowed me to import---again thanks....Dee
Nov 15, 2009 12:08 PM
Dee
windows essentials
do i just need the photo gallery or movie maker as well?----i already have mail etc.
Nov 15, 2009 11:53 AM
Windows Essentials....
Dee, it sure sounds like you're just missing the DV codec..... download and install the Windows LIve Essentials pack, which will have it included.

http://download.live.com/
Nov 15, 2009 11:41 AM
Deanna
Dee
Ok---i apparently do not have the Windows Live Essentials Suite---it is not on here---yes i am using a firewire--maybe i do not have a DV driver installed--how do i find out? and where do i find it---and as for MM2---i thought i could download it and install it--guess not--i am obviously not too savvy with this stuff----clearly don't know what i am doing--the laptop does seem to recognize the camcorder--the first time i plugged it in, it said it was ready to use---Dee
Nov 15, 2009 12:16 AM
Response to Dee...
Hi Dee... the first hurdle to capturing from a mini-DV camcorder would be to get the DV driver installed. You don't mention the Windows Live Essentials suite, the package I use to get the driver.

I'm assuming you're using firewire and not a USB connection. Once the driver is installed, your usual ways of capturing via firewire should work.

There isn't an installation package for MM2.1 so I don't understand why you're getting such a warning if you're simply copying the files from XP to Windows 7.
Nov 14, 2009 11:46 PM
Dee
capturing in windowa 7
Hi---I am very frustrated---trying to convert home vhs--i have a sony mini dv---and a new laptop w/windows 7---neither cyberlink power director, corel video studio, or windows media encoder will take in my video---i used to do this as a pass thru operation with sonic mydvd on my desktop with XP---i tried putting movie maker 2.1 on the new laptop, but a warning says it is not supported and the install did not complete---i must admit i am a bit afraid to put it on my new computer--it didn't work anyhow----is there anything else i can do or another method with 7?----some other program?--i really don't want to spend a bunch of money only to find out it doesn't work--perhaps i will still have to go thru the old computer--D
Oct 26, 2009 4:48 PM
john elpop
RE: Windows 7 - Record-Capture-Import Camcorder Video
thanksssss
Oct 26, 2009 4:47 PM
john elpop
RE: Windows 7 - Record-Capture-Import Camcorder Video
thanks very mush
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