Carryover From Boiler Drum

Written by:  • Edited by: Lamar Stonecypher
Updated Jul 9, 2010

Carryover from the boiler drum leads to deposit in superheaters of boiler and turbine blades. Carryover from drum is of two types- mechanical and vaporous carryover. Deposits in superheater tubes results in overheating failure. In the turbine, this reduces the turbine efficiency.

In a high pressure large capacity boiler, the drum acts not only as a water reservoir, but also has a major function of separating the steam water mixture coming into it from the raisers or waterwall tubes. This is done by a set of separators and dryers housed inside the drum. Dry steam with the quality required for superheating and admitting into the turbine is the output of a drum with good internal design.

Depending upon boiler operating pressure, the boiler water and superheated steam quality are decided. Water treatment plants are provided in boiler plant installations to ensure the quality of boiler water. Parameters like alkalinity of water expressed in pH levels, total dissolved solids in ppm, specific electrical conductivity of water in µS/cm, residual phosphate in ppm, and silica in ppm level are to be maintained with in specific limits. This is achieved by conditioning feed water to boiler within preset quality levels.

The typical recommended boiler water limits for a boiler with operating pressure range from 160 to 180 kg/cm2 (g) is given below.

  • Total dissolved solids (Max) ppm 25
  • Specific electrical conductivity at 25 deg C in µS/cm (Max) 50
  • Phosphate residual ppm 5 to 10
  • pH at 25 deg C 9.1 to 9.8
  • Silica (Max) ppm - To be controlled on the basis of silica in boiler water and drum pressure relationship to maintain less than 0.02 ppm in steam leaving drum.

Carryover from the drum can be of two types: mechanical carryover and vaporous carryover. Mechanical carryover take place in a boiler mainly due to drum internals; drum level, foaming, and spray water. If the alignment of drum internals are not maintained as per requirement then the separation efficiency comes down and carryover occurs. Faulty screen driers also contribute to carryover. It is necessary to adhere to the dos and don’ts given by the designer during operation and maintenance of the boiler to avoid carryover. Maintaining a very high drum level reduces the separation efficiency and a high level of carryover results. High alkalinity, oil in water and high TDS (Total Dissolved Solids) in boiler water will result in foaming in drum which leads to carryover. The chart attached gives a total picture of carryover.

Carryover can be minimized by adhering to good operating and maintenance practices.

  • Maintain drum water level within +/- 50 mm
  • Maintain silica below the recommended value for the operating pressure
  • Check and maintain the drum internals periodically and whenever carry over is noticed
  • Feed water conductivity at 25 deg C to be maintained between 0.2 and 0.3 µS/cm
  • Boiler water solids to be maintained during operation within limits
  • Measure steam purity and maintain within the specified limits
  • Ensure feed water conductivity meter online to help monitoring the same

The end result of carryover will lead to deposition in superheater tubes which will result in long term overheating of superheater tubes. Carryover will also lead to deposits in the low pressure stage blades of turbine which reduces blade efficiency and increase heat rate of the machine.

Carryover From Boiler Drum

Carryover From Boiler Drum

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Dr V T Sathyanathan Oct 4, 2011 8:48 AM
Reply to Omer Ali
As I know for boilers operating less than 20 bar the following water chemistry parameter can be maintained:
Feed water chemistry:
Hardness Max ppm 1.0
pH at 25 deg C 8.8 – 9.2
Oxygen Max ppm 0.02
Total Iron Max ppm 0.05
Total copper Max ppm 0.01
SiO2 Max ppm 1.0
Conductivity 25 deg C Max µs/cm 10 (Measured after cation exchanger in H+ form & after CO2 removal)
Boiler water chemistry:
pH at 25 deg C 10.0 – 10.5
Phosphate residual ppm 20 – 40
TDS Max ppm 500
Specific electrical conductivity at 25 deg C Max µs/cm 1000
Silica Max ppm 25
Sodium Sulphate as Na2SO4 ppm 20 – 40
Dr V T Sathyanathan Oct 4, 2011 8:46 AM
Reply to Abhishek
As this is a long subject for discussion here I am attaching three links where details are given.

www.mhi.co.jp/technology/review/pdf/e462/e462043.pdf

www.eurelectric.org/Download/Download.aspx?DocumentID=11637

www.steamcycle.com/effective_cycle_chemistry_control.pdf
Omer Ali Sep 29, 2011 2:34 PM
RE: Carryover From Boiler Drum
Dear Dr.
In boilers of 17 Bar pressure, and if using Helamin boiler & helamine AD for boiler water treatment. what is the max. limit for chloride in boiler blow down
abhishek Sep 19, 2011 12:03 PM
vapours carryover
sir
please enlighten me about vapourous carryover of impurities. any execeptioo in supercritical boilers. and if possible i need some data regarding AVT and CWT method of water treatment.
thankyou!
e-mail idis * abhishek.kumar@adani.com*
Dr V T Sathyanathan Jun 17, 2011 5:43 AM
Reply to Dhamelia
The direct answer to your intension is no you should not if you do not want life to be reduced or serious damage to happen. However if you decide to operate there will be serious damage after a few years (I cannot say how many years). The life also will come down considerably. You can evaluate this fairly accurate a few years ( an year or two) of operation under this condition by doing a life assessment of SH tubes.
dhamelia Jun 16, 2011 11:34 AM
boiler superheater
Sir, the intention is to know what is the limiting (max) values practically for TDS and silica in steam entering the superheater operating at 40 kg and 400 degC without impairing the superheater life/serious damage. Presently i am having TDS 5-7 ppm and silica 50-200 ppbillion.
Dr V T Sathyanathan Jun 11, 2011 5:01 AM
Reply to Kiet
We follow the coordinated phosphate control; a copy of this curve has been sent to you through e-mail.
Dr V T Sathyanathan Jun 11, 2011 3:40 AM
Reply to Dhamelia
Internal surfaces of steam side components like superheaters, reheaters or process heat exchangers are deposited with salts carried over along with steam from drum. These deposits impair with heat transfer because of its insulating effect and leads to failures. Boiler manufacturer’s help in limiting the solid carry over from steam drum by proper design and fitment of drum internals. From operational point of view proper blow – down, controlled dosing and proper drum level control will help in avoiding carry over. We would restrict the TDS and Silica in steam as per steam quality requirement of turbine. Using higher values for heat exchangers or process will also lead to deposition inside the tubes at a faster rate. This reduces the heat transfer efficiency and the process steam requirement goes up over a period of time.

As you have not mentioned the intension of asking this question I am only able to say this much.
Dr V T Sathyanathan Jun 11, 2011 3:39 AM
Reply to Hitesh Master
You have not mentioned the operating pressure of the boiler. Deposition in water wall will surely be there at this TDS. But depending upon the operating pressure the metal temperature of the tube will be decided. Internal deposits will increase the metal temperature, with the tube thickness reserve and the temperature reserve available and the rate of deposition increase the time to failure will be decided.

Regarding flushing it may not help you much as these are normally highly adherent deposits and may need an acid cleaning to remove them. Doing an acid cleaning will depend upon the chemical composition of the deposit, the quantity and the adherence of the deposit. This makes it necessary to study the deposit nature by taking tube samples from the high heat flux area of the furnace.
kiet Jun 11, 2011 3:11 AM
boiler water qulity
Dear Dr V T Sathyanathan,
For boiler drum pressure is about 160kg/cm2. I would like to increase to pH of boiler by phospate . I know how much is limits of phosphate for 160 kg/cm2 ?
I want know what do you depend on standard of ASTM or JIS to writte it ?( what standard )
best regards,
kiet
mail: phantuankietnd12@gmail.com
dhamelia Jun 9, 2011 11:40 AM
Boiler superheater
We have a 140 TPH package utility boiler operating pressure 41 kg/cm2g.
I would like to know what is the maximum TDS( ppm) and silica (ppb) level that can be tolerated in steam entering the superheater (design steam outlet temperature is 400 degC) without risk of overheating. Mostly the steam is used for process heating and not in turbines (we know that turbines have 20 ppb limit for silica).
Presently we are having about 2-5 ppm TDS (NOT corrected for effect of morpholine/ammonia on conductivity)
and silica level of 80-200 ppb. Feed water is <20 ppb silica DM water.
Tube is T11 material and TST are less than 430 degC
Hitesh Master May 13, 2011 11:27 AM
Boiler Question
am having membrane boiler of 6 tonne. my boiler water hardness went upto 5500 T.D.S..?Am afraid of water tube leakage and scaling problem.
Wanna know solution of this...
Shall i flush all the water in the boiler and pour new fresh water in it ...so that i can run my boiler safely for the next 72 hours..?
Dr V T Sathyanathan Mar 29, 2011 3:35 AM
Replt to kietnd12
I am assuming your boiler drum operating pressure is above 101 bar.

In this case the recommended pHof feedwater is 8.8 to 9.2 for boilers with copper alloy pre-boiler system and 9.0 to 9.4 for boilers with copper free pre-boiler systems. For the same said conditions the boiler water limits are 9.4 to 9.7.

When the pH in feed water falls below recommended value then the same is maintained by volatile chemical dosing taking care that the concentration of volatile chemicals does not exceed 1 ppm (expressed as ammonial)

Please also remember low boiler water pH increases silica carry over. The boiler water pH is maintained by phosphate dosing with co-ordinated phosphate control.
kietnd12 Mar 27, 2011 10:35 AM
PH of boiler
Dear sir,
If pH of make up water into boiler ( enconomizer) is limit 8.7. what should i do ? Do you relation N2H4 và PH of boiler.
Best regards,
kiet
RAKESH SARAN Mar 11, 2011 1:28 PM
steam purity
how to calcuate steam purity and steam quality if sodium in boiler and steam are 5.0ppm and 0.050 ppm and conductivity of condensate water are 10 micromhos/cm67
Dr V T Sathyanathan Feb 16, 2011 3:24 AM
Reply to Alex
High conductivity is normally associated with impure water entering the water circuit, mainly condenser cooling water. Please check this and also if you have any condensate recovery systems in your plant please stop this and see the change. If not then engage a good chemist to study the total circuit chemistry.
alex Feb 8, 2011 2:09 AM
hig cc in boiler
in our boiler , high cationic conductivity in drum water also feed water c.c is also with in the limit.we are dosing helamin 906 h to the drum and ammonia to the feed water , what is the reason for increasing of c.c in boiler drum
Dr V T Sathyanathan Dec 2, 2010 11:32 AM
Reply to r3za
Please look in to this link of EPRI. This has lot of information.
http://my.epri.com/portal/server.pt?space=CommunityPage&cached=true&parentname=ObjMgr&parentid=2&control=SetCommunity&CommunityID=221&PageIDqueryComId=0
r3za Nov 27, 2010 5:30 AM
please help me
hi
i need some article or book about carryover in boiler.
please help me.
chandan Singh Deora Sep 8, 2010 2:43 AM
relation in phosphate, silica & Ph in boiler drum.
I want to know relation in phosphate, silica & Ph in boiler drum.

Read more: http://www.brighthub.com/engineering/mechanical/articles/52069.aspx#ixzz0yuyS4p5I
Dr V T Sathyanathan Sep 4, 2010 9:58 AM
Reply to Dhinesh, Zulfiqar Ali, and Mustquim Ahmad
Needs a detailed study be a water chemistry expert and so you may hire a good water chemistry expert to study this.
Mustquim Ahmad Aug 26, 2010 2:25 PM
High Silica In Boiler drum
Dear Sir,
In our boiler (40 TPH & 65 Kg/cm2) all parameters were under controle, but few days ago silica increases suddenly. At that time only phosphate was 5 ppm, which was low from the given limits. we have given a numbers of blow down but silica did not come down while phosphate came down to 2 ppm. Then we decide that we will not give blow down untill phosphate comes to its given limit. & now silica is not increases as its increases before. I want to know that there is any relation in phosphate & silica in boiler drum.
Mustquim Ahmad Aug 24, 2010 1:17 AM
High Silica In Boiler drum
Dear Sir,
In our boiler (40 TPH & 65 Kg/cm2) all parameters are under controle, but few days ago silica increases suddenly. & phosphate was 5 ppm. I want to that there is any relation in phosphate & silica.
zulfiqar ali Aug 13, 2010 1:47 AM
High Silica in HP drum
When HRSG were tripped or normal stopped, Silica in HP and LP drum increased. during start up, high silica in Supperheated steam observed and delay in machine.
dinesh Jun 18, 2010 3:06 AM
silica in drum
why silica increase during unit start up after tripping. pl explain types of silica in dm water?
dhinesh Jun 10, 2010 2:11 AM
silica carryover
hello sir,
the high ph value will lower silica carry over and also the silica carryover depends on the drum operating pressure. i cant understand how it will happen. could u help me sir?
Dr V T Sathyanathan Mar 17, 2010 11:41 AM
Carryover – Reply to Sittha
I am to too clear about your question. Carryover is explained in my article. How do you connect the isolating valve and carryover?
Sittha Mar 17, 2010 3:54 AM
Carryover#2
We have relocated 51kg/cm2 70TPH Gas Fired Steam boiler to new project. We only added isolating valve between drum and water column, for another we didn't touch anything.

But value of drum level when occured the carryover is lower than before relocated.

Please you help me find out what is the cause of this incident?
Dr V T Sathyanathan Feb 12, 2010 11:02 PM
Carryover - Reply to Paragkumar
Answering to your question, you cannot lower the NWL in drum as it is a design level. You can only operate the boiler below the NWL of this boiler. Now how far below will depend on the control ability and operator ability based on load variation, but it has to be more than the first low level alarm given by the manufacturer. Operating boiler at lower water level in drum has to done with understanding all its implication. Please read my article on low drum level operation also.http://www.brighthub.com/engineering/mechanical/articles/50974.aspx
Paragkumar Feb 12, 2010 5:30 PM
Carryover
Dear sir,
We are having Waster Heat Recovery with at drum pressure of 45 Kg/cm2 & superheate steam temp of 380 degc, the steam flow rate is 300 ton/hr.

Recently during shutdown , we had a opportunity to boroscope the superheater tube, the consultant took the sample of the tube & recommends us to do chemical cleaning as report found silica deposits in superheat section. our company decided to to do chemical cleaning in April-2010, by that time we need to control the carryover of silica to superhetar, though we are always operating the unit on base load & there was no much upset in feedwater presrue, however the BFW quality upsets are more, Our management decided to lower down the Drum NWL level setting some what to lower so that carryover can be minimized. My question is up to how much we can lower the NWL Setting? whether is there any implications if we lower the NWL setting? is it beneficial to us if we lower the NWL setting? please reply.
mv jagtap Dec 20, 2009 11:33 AM
conductivity in boiler drum
why we read higher cation conductivity in drum sample ,we have amine treatment (helamin),our drum sample conductivity < 2.7uS/cm also feed water having no chloride ingress ,we have only amine treatment one drum and other in feed water ammonia < 0.5 ppm
Dr V T Sathyanathan Nov 3, 2009 9:12 AM
Phosphate dosing in drum
pH in drum is maintained by sodium to phosphate ratio. We add phosphate to remove the dissolved impurities in the form of sludge. This sludge is easily removed by continuous blowdown. It is the hydroxide alkalinity that is controlled by phosphate addition. This ensures formation of calcium hydroxyapatite and magnesium in precipitation. This normally occurs with hydroxide ion and absorbs the silica present in boiler water. The reactions involved are complex and can be seen from any book on boiler water chemistry.

Conductivity is an indirect indication of soluble impurities in boiler water. High conductivity will damage the water wall tubes. In high pressure boilers it is important to monitor conductivity and maintain it within limits. Condenser leakage is one of the major causes of very high conductivity increase in boiler water. See the link given.

http://www.brighthub.com/engineering/mechanical/articles/38832.aspx
padmalochan behera Nov 1, 2009 7:50 AM
about conductivity in boiler
why phosphate dosing given in drum.what happen when conductivity daviate erom range.
 
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