The Benefits of Mac vs. PC

Written by: Nicholas • Edited by: Lamar Stonecypher
Updated Mar 22, 2010 • Related Guides: Macs | PC | Operating System

Trying to decide which you should get, a Macintosh or PC? Although they both have their pros and cons, Macs do have some advantages over PCs. This article details some Apple Macintosh advantages.

What are the Advantages of Owning a Mac Over a PC?

It is true that PCs have some advantages over Macs. But for this article, the focus will be on advantages of a Mac vs PC. On to the list of advantages that Apple computers have over Windows-based computers.

OS X

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The main difference between Macs and PCs, the operating system, can be seen as an advantage of Macs vs PCs. OS X is a great operating system. It's easy to use, efficient, and features a very friendly user interface. OS X is a completely different animal than Windows or Linux. Windows and Linux are both very good operating systems, but neither of them have the simplicity of OS X. I'm not going to tell you that Macs don't get viruses, because they can. But, there are far less OS X exploit viruses out there than Windows viruses. If you run a lot of programs that are Mac specific, and very few Windows apps, obviously having a Mac is your best bet.

Operating System Flexibility

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If you should ever need Windows/Linux for anything, you can install Windows or Linux on a Mac computer, legally. You cannot however, install OS X on a PC, legally. This is a big advantage of Mac vs PC. Many computer users like to use different operating systems for different things. With Macs, you have the flexibility of OS X+Windows operating systems on one machine. You also have the option of running Windows via Bootcamp, or via a virtual machine, such as VMware Fusion.

Design

Cosmetically, Macs are extremely well designed computers. They are visually appealing with a "high-end" feel. They have the backlit Apple logo, backlit keyboard, Chiclets-style keys, etc...

Many PCs are well designed as well. Some are visually appealing and have a "high-end" feel... and some have backlit keyboards. But, did the new Sony Vaios and HP Envys get some design inspiration from Apple? Just saying.

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Apple's Innovation

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Okay, I know that not everything Apple claims to be innovating actually is... But, they did bring Multi-touch, iTunes, MagSafe, etc... Do you get Dell Tunes and a Dell App Store with a Dell computer?

Apple also gives you the Apple Store - a place where you can take your Mac if anything goes wrong, and there's a good chance it will get fixed.

The Geek Squad is not the best support out there, considering they charge a hefty fee to "optimize" your computer.

Awesome Compatibility with Other Mac Products

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Apple products just work well with each other. Often times, PCs will have compatibility issues with iPhones, iPods, etc... Mac computers don't have that. If you are a big iPhone fan, or the type of person that owns multiple iPods, chances are, you will enjoy owning a Mac computer just as much.

Good Default Software

Macs come with iLife, which is iPhoto, iMovie, Garage Band, iWeb, and iDVD. All of these are pretty decent programs. Windows does have Windows Media Player, Windows Movie Maker, etc... but, many Windows computers also come with a lot of "junk" software as well. Most of the time, you are lucky if you get more than a 30-day trial with most software.

Understanding Macs - Mac vs PC

This four part series details the simple differences between Macs and PCs, the advantages of Mac vs PC, and concludes with which is better, Mac or PC.

1. Understanding Macs - Differences Between Mac and PC
2. Windows and Mac: Differences in Everyday Operating System Use
3. The Benefits of Mac vs. PC
4. Which is Better - Mac or PC?

Comments

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Medman1980 Dec 20, 2011 5:35 PM

RE: The Benefits of Mac vs. PC

Well I can tell you one big disadvantage with macs versus the Pc. The cost, you pay a mac machine which has the same components as a Pc. You pay more for the brand and the OS thats it.

Dhseo1011 Nov 15, 2011 1:02 AM

RE: The Benefits of Mac vs. PC

Mac can only run ALL OS IF YOU BUY WINDOWS ON TOP OF UR STUPID MAC THATS ADDITIONAL $$$$ <= i could buy 2 PC with this money

Dhseo1011 Nov 15, 2011 12:59 AM

RE: The Benefits of Mac vs. PC

Lack of FREEDOM and COMPATABILITY ISSUES <= Go check Ubuntu -Using Gnome Shell instead of Unity-

Dhseo1011 Nov 15, 2011 12:51 AM

RE: The Benefits of Mac vs. PC

Its not fair to be biased in 1 side from a comparison article (i could see ur mac fan) Mac is just like a PC, nvrmind.... actually MAC is a PC -PC is a Personal Computer- Now let me tell you something, the best OS is the one that works best for you and btw "Linux are both very good operating systems, but neither of them have the simplicity of OS X." Actually, OS X and Windows STEALS ideas from Linux because it is a open software "I'm not going to tell you that Macs don't get viruses, because they can." You just stated that Mac has less virus than linux and PC. This is wrong since Macs have more virus than Linux. "If you run a lot of programs that are Mac specific, and very few Windows apps, obviously having a Mac is your best bet." Is this a comparison? Hey guys, banana is better than apple if you LIKE banana! "You also have the option of running Windows via Bootcamp, or via a virtual machine, such as VMware " VMware runs on any OS "Cosmetically, Macs are extremely well designed computers." Go check GAMING COMPUTERS "Do you get Dell Tunes and a Dell App Store with a Dell computer?" Dumbest idea ever. Windows has to support many computers and thus, this is the only way to do it. Plus, Windows already have Media Player. "Apple also gives you the Apple Store - a place where you can take your Mac if anything goes wrong, and there's a good chance it will get fixed." Apple nor Windows FIXED anything for me when i had problems. "The Geek Squad is not the best support out there, considering they charge a hefty fee to "optimize" your computer." Linux is still part of PC. I never heard of Linux getting virus in first place for "optimization" "PCs will have compatibility issues with iPhones, iPods, etc... Mac computers don't have that. " PCs earn their money by supporting as much as they can. So the modern PCs should not have compatibility issues. "Most of the time, you are lucky if you get more than a 30-day trial with most software

db Aug 28, 2011 3:17 PM

it's a matter of preference.

I believe it's foolish to make vague comparisons. Depending on your personality, the best computer is whatever works for you. Several things can be considered when comparing Windows, OSX or Linux, but none of those things really matter most of the time. In my experience true programmers prefer Linux, artists prefer Mac, and everyone else use Windows, mostly due to an ignorant fear of incompatibility (an argument that has been out of date for some time now).

Anonymous Aug 7, 2011 10:51 PM

whatever

I love both actually. I've had my iPod, a nano 3rd generation, for five years and it's still kicking ass. Only recently it has been doing the white screen of death and losing memory. The people at the Apple Store in Downtown Salt Lake City told me it would cost more to fix then replace it. I'm still sticking with it but it's getting on my nerves.
I've been trained to work on both mac and Microsoft computers. I find Windows less complex but Apple faster. I prefer Windows because it can work with basically anything and it is what works better with my lifestyle. I don't know what it is but Microsoft computers last longer with me, Apple breaks quicker. Apple makes better Mp3's hands down, but not computers. Hope this helps.

Anonymous Aug 3, 2011 4:12 PM

Overpriced OS? Are you kidding me?

dude windows 7 does not cost $400. it costs around $100. get your facts right....

szoze Aug 3, 2011 2:04 AM

A link

How to replace the harddrive on your iMac:
http://gigaom.com/apple/how-to-replace-your-imacs-hard-drive/

Anonymous Jun 11, 2011 12:39 PM

Re: Overpriced OS? Are you kidding me?

Dude, it's not like they get the same hardware for different prices. The reason you spend way more on a Mac is the OS. Like, if you were to build a Windows PC with the exact same specs as a MacBook Pro a Mac would most likely be more expensive.

I hope you see the point of my question whether you're willing to spend a shitload of cash for the OS.

BTW, the reason why Macs "don't" get viruses is that no one wants to spend/waste time with only 10~15% Market share ( I believe). But I am sure there are a lot of vulnerabilities. ( Google Mac hacking contests. They can literally hack Macs in minutes)

I just don't think the OS is worth it, but that's just my opinion. If you're pro Mac then you're pro Mac. I can live with that.

Mark Jun 8, 2011 3:33 PM

Overpriced OS? Are you kidding me?

I paid $400 for Win7, then another $350 for MS office. I will pay $50 for Lion, which includes mail and iCal.

I think you meant the 'overpriced' hardware. I've said it several times before, you MUST consider the overall cost of ownership, and the many benefits of having totally compatible hardware and software.

Me123 Jun 8, 2011 6:30 AM

RE: The Benefits of Mac vs. PC

This is the part where i fix the mistakes in this article. First, you can install mac os x on a PC, its pretty much the same concept as bootcamp. Second, if you were to buy a pc and a mac with the exact same specs, you would see that the pc is MUCH cheaper, and easier to fix. THIRD, the reason why its more probable to get a virus on a pc than a mac is because pc has a gazillion more programs. and these days you hardly get viruses. i had a macbook pro, until it burnt and no-one can fix it because computer parts are WELDED into the laptop case. Yes, WELDED. Macs may be cool, but PC beats a MAC by every aspect...

LRC May 29, 2011 3:02 PM

OP Mac (Overpriced not over powered)

The huge factor really is

"Are you willing to spend a sh*tload of $$$ for the Mac OS?" (despite the big possibility of getting a "weaker" rig.)

Mac OS for me is "better" but the LACK of FREEDOM and COMPATIBILITY ISSUES lead me back to Windows. I'd say that Apple invested most on its marketing dept. because of the fan boys out there.

So again. Mac or PC? refer to the question above.

Mark May 27, 2011 4:08 PM

Here, here!

I couldn't agree more. The absolute best scenario would be a world where you can use the hardware and O/S of choice and they would all work together.

I love my Mac and a lot of the software that runs on it but, although it's getting much better, it's still a Windows world and I can't always use my Mac, especially where I might have to connect to an MS oriented environment.

I'm really hoping for a time when it's irrelevant what computer, or other device, you happen to be on. I'm in the industry and I really hope that cloud computing, or some other agnostic technology, soon grows up to enable this to happen.

Stephen Austin May 26, 2011 7:42 AM

Never buying Mac, ever

I took my son's iPod to be repaired. He hadn't used it much and the software would not update. I took it to Apple's rep in Hong Kong. They refused to touch it. They muttered something about 'We'll trade it in, but won't fix it.'
This stinks. This is not customer service. This is an institutionalized rip-off. So I don't give a flying sh*t how good or 'better' Mac is; with such shabby and devious customer relations policies show the company are obviously a bunch of cowboys who've tapped into the fanboy market. I wouldn't use Mac again in my life if you paid me.

Anonymous May 7, 2011 3:14 PM

there is no true best platform

To start with a famous quote from Steve Jobs: “If I were running Apple, I would milk the Macintosh for all it’s worth — and get busy on the next great thing. The PC wars are over. Done. Microsoft won a long time ago.” (as we see now today IPod, IPhone, IPads and future new gadgets are apples core of profits, not the Mac)
It has been all about business and marketing tactics... I am creating a work of art... another quote. Folks I have been in the computer Biz and have experience with them going back to the Apple II days which I grew up on. I eventually after 12 years broke away from apple to explore outside the apple crate and low and behold there’s so much more out there to offer.
My actual starting computer was a Atari 400, then went on to apple II+, IIe, IIC, and finally IIGS (which I still have mint condition with solid state drive running in it now.. this is when apple was more open architecture…) while Mac was creating a much more closed crate environment. Others include Atari 800, TRS 80 (short lived), Timex Sinclair, Amiga 500, Amiga CD32 (still have with SX32 and Compact flash acting as a hard drive boots in 3 second), then Finally PC’s from 386windows 3.1 machines up til now core I7 windows 7 ultimate. Also have a few Linux Boxes around including my Web Server (Microsoft not good for web server), The various computers thru history all had their problems and still do today (the typical old mac quotes were they never get viruses, they never crash, everything is so easy (the OS I agree but limited, the apps not always so), the programs for the Mac are the best why look elsewhere?... but none of these quotes hold today period.
The best setup is Mac’s, Linux Nas Drives/servers, and Windows PC’s working together in the same environment to bring the best of all worlds providing the ultimate flexibility to the work/home.
The gist of it is no one can truthfully tell you which platform is better. you just have to experience on your own

Abdul khalil May 5, 2011 4:38 AM

Mac and computer

I love computer because it work all software .
now i use Mac installed windows7 it work better the opreting system windows the best,
most software doesn't work ... mac

N/A Apr 16, 2011 10:31 AM

Why a Mac owns PC

A Mac is better than a PC because Mac can run all OS's on it but a PC can't run Mac OS :D

Fed Up Apr 14, 2011 5:02 PM

@Krayzee

LOL. I give up.

Krayzeebyker Apr 12, 2011 11:15 AM

I'm an idiot? Don't make me laugh.

Firstly, where did you get the idea, that the people here who are having PC woes, count as representative of ALL computer users?

Secondly, this is a forum, correct, but where does it say, ''Mac Vs Pc; A Buyers Guide''?

It doesn't, and it isn't.

Thirdly, the points I make pertaining to personal experience, are metaphoric examples, meant to illuminate the myopic criticisms that some others, like yourself have levelled.

I'll repeat; I'm an idiot?

Then why did you, in criticising my own use of exemplary anecdotal references, go on to list that YOU use MAC-ONLY software, as if that is in some way different.

YOU chose to use that hard/software, and therefore locked YOURSELF into using a Mac because of it.

This is not Which?, it isn't meant as a port of call for consumers looking to make the choice, it was called;
'The benefits of Mac Vs PC'

That itself is a decidedly biased title.
So I wanted to illustrate the fact that much of what people, especially those such as yourself, know, is not based on actual fact, rather on preference, with a side order of marketing hype.

Oh and finally the fact is, that Apogee, Logic, and many other similar systems, are now owned by Apple. This is why they won't work on PC.

Funny that before Apple bought them, they worked perfectly well with PC too, but dropped support for it, not because of anything more than Apple wanting the monopoly.

Irrelevant? NO. Why?

Because consumers should know the fibre of the fabric they choose to use.

You sir, have been well and truly stitched up, and you don't even know it.

I refer you back to my prior statement, which gives a summary comparison of the platforms, for those that don't know, and says you should form your own opinions by trying these things for yourself.
I know many music/video editors/creators/producers, who are PERFECTLY happy on Windows, and Linux too.(but you wouldn't know about that J, as you clearly haven't bothered exploring the option.)

J Apr 11, 2011 10:24 AM

@Krayzeebiker

and like @Josh said, you're making this extremely difficult for average PC users to choose. You're giving a bunch of irrelevant points.

Why did I get a Mac? Because all of the audio hardware (Apogee Products) I use in my home studio are only mac-compatible, and so is the software (Logic Pro). Another secondary reason, was for my video editing (Final Cut Pro).

Have I been arguing that PCs are completely and utterly reliable when it comes to those areas? No.

Why?

Because it's completely irrelevant to what the average home computer user needs to know.

J Apr 11, 2011 10:14 AM

@Krayzeebiker

This is where I call you an idiot.

You're an idiot. First of all, if a majority of the people here are having troubles with their PCs, it's an obvious consensus, that they are unreliable. Your only points are your own personal experiences, yet you argue that the people arguing the other opinion are only using their own personal experiences. You're a hypocrite. Finally, calm the hell down, it's an online forum, and this was meant for healthy debate; not your constant ranting.

none of your information Apr 10, 2011 10:45 PM

true

I switched from an insperon 1505e Dell to a Macbook Pro, best decision i have ever made. My old computer was slow after the first year, the battery wouldn't last too minutes with ought the charger, my Mac lasts 10 hours with ought a charger.

Krayzeebyker Apr 4, 2011 7:06 PM

The main thing.....

The reason why I even began commenting here, was the typical scathing, blanket-statements, made by those with a limited scope of computer knowledge.

To say that ALL Windows-based computers are buggy, slow, prone to infection, and hard to use, is the same as being critical of a certain model/make of car, just because YOU yourself had a bad experience.

My dad once had a top of the line Mercedes S-class, that from new, got stuck in first gear(Auto), and kept registering the fuel tank as empty, even when full.

Being a rational person, rather than writing-off ALL Mercedes because of it, he acknowledged, rightfully, that it was a dud, and has had a trouble-free ownership experience of them in the subsequent 3 he has had.

Whereas, the general attitude I see on here from Mac proponents is;

''I used PC's for years, and they were always crap and slow, but now I've switched to Mac, and suddenly, all my computer woes have vanished''

Worse is the problem of Joe Public believing all the marketing hype they hear.

I was having a quick game with my friend,(who owns a NEW Macbook Pro - YES, they CAN play games too), and I told him he'd better get the charger, as his battery was at 75% already.

He almost quipped back at me with;

''Can't you see how long it says I have left on the battery?(roughly 5hrs) It's a Mac you know, and they have a 7 hour battery-life!''

I just acquiesced, and we began to play.

Less than 50 minutes later, he was kicking himself that we had to start again, because it had just cut out during play, without even a warning.

DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!
&
Read the small print, not just the flashy headlines!

AND ABOVE ALL, FORM YOUR OWN OPINIONS!

Cue flaming.......K

Krayzeebyker Apr 4, 2011 6:44 PM

F'ed Up, you are wrong.

Not just that article, the whole series of them, and I have read it ALL (something I am certain you have not done), several times.

My sources are not limited to that however.

For the benefit of those who say they are confused as to which is better from the Mac/Windows/Linux choices, you really shouldn't be coming here to help you make the decision as to which you should buy.

Mac's are great for relatively simple, relatively trouble-free computing.

Windows PC's are great for flexibility, and for the widest usage scope.

Linux offers the simplicity of a Mac, with the flexibility of Windows, but there is an initial ''getting used to it'' phase to go through (as with any choice). They are also the most stable.

Most average computer users suffer from the ''greener grass'' syndrome, and will undoubtedly wonder why their machine cannot do 'x', or isn't as good as 'y'.

If those same people were to just go and try the alternatives for themselves, and do a little research on the subject, they would find what THEY like/need most, and not what Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, or the nerd at PC World think of as such.

When you start driving, do you just watch other people around you, and copy what they do?

Do you jump right in and try without ever having learned?

No, you learn how, and apply that knowledge.

Computers are the same.

The reason people get confused, is because they want the 'pill', the 'i-don't-need-to-think-about-it' option.

Think of it as cheating on an exam, you may pass, but you haven't really LEARNED anything.

Personally, I think you can't learn to ride a bike or swim by reading a book, well certainly not easily!

So why not take a day at the weekend, and go and try some out, see what YOU like best, that way you can be happy WHATEVER other people say.

J Apr 3, 2011 10:58 PM

@Josh

I agree with you, but your comment is hypocritical. LOL. "Calm down"

> Get's mad.

Josh Apr 3, 2011 10:27 PM

Calm down

Do you have any idea how hard most of you are making it for REGULAR PC users to decide between Mac and Windows? Do you think everybody who buys computers needs to know (or cares at all) about all that nerd stuff? They just want a computer thats worth the money, and works for every day activities... So all you gamers and programmers can back the h*ll off, get your ARROGANT *ss in check, and try to post something helpful for every day computer users. Since you claim your so smart when it comes to computers, how about helping regular users in the way THEY want.

Fed up Apr 1, 2011 3:32 PM

@Adam

You got all of that from the article you pointed out?? You should read it again.

You're just argumentative.

matthew garcia Mar 30, 2011 5:00 PM

mac

(macbook,macbook air,macbookpro,imac,iphone.ipod,ipad.
all of them are better than all their cm but the one idont like is the mac book air.bbut i dont have a phone our a i pad or any thing al ihave is a youtubr name it is mightmatthew03.

Krayzeebyker aka Adam Mar 30, 2011 3:23 PM

@ Fed Up

Just to say, that the Mac WAS NOT developed for the user groups you mention, but for Graphics Professionals and those working in Media and Design.
(It was also that thinking that nearly saw them go under, as they wanted to stick to that user base, and not expand.)

Ironic then; that those same groups also happen to be more well-informed on the systems they use than Joe Public.

Yet you claim that the Mac was built for novices...

No.

But the current MacOS WAS.

One more thing. As for what you say about environmental issues, you are wrong there too.

Despite what it may say on their website, they are frequently criticised for their usage of cheap labour/parts in the far east, where, coincidentally, global warming, and green manufacturing is FAR lower on the agenda.

That being said, you clearly do not realise just how many PC component manufacturers also make those very same claims about being green.

Some of those claims are also true.

To be honest, it is so clear from the Mac contingent on this site, that the average MAC user is MISINFORMED.

They know what they see on the Apple site, or in the Mac store, what their friends who also use Apple tell them, and what the marketing dept. want them to.

But they don't know the bigger picture.

Time and time again, this site see's those same people making unfounded comments and criticisms, without knowing the FACTS.

Whether you use Mac or Windows, or Linux, this is a great, in-depth, verified history of all this, and how it came about.

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/5AC281BA-912A-415D-85F7-5656C0E76D1C.html

Read through the series too, VERY informative.

Ignorance may be bliss, but that's no excuse for it, ESPECIALLY on a site with this title and tagline!

Anyone who just uses a computer for web-browsing, word-processing and viewing/listening to media, would be better off getting Ubuntu with Compizfusion.

It's free, it's simple, and it's faster and more reliable than ANYTHING else.

Fed up Mar 30, 2011 1:04 PM

@Nick

Wow. Do you have a limited view of the world of computer users. You should spend some time thinking about the millions of other people in the world who use computers. Some of them might even find the things you do valuable to their lives. Without all of us ignorant, stupid, unintelligent, lazy minded consumers, you don't have a job.

Fed up Mar 30, 2011 12:48 PM

Even more fed up

What does your average teacher, manager, student, admin assistant, doctor, lawyer, small business owner, executive, day trader, housewife, etc, etc, really care about programming and gaming? I'm sorry to burst your bubble but these are the people a Mac was built for. They do not care about learning the complexities of their computers or having to spend time on figuring out why they can't connect to the internet.

The OS is integrated and the UI kept as simple and intuitive for a reason. Why the heck do you think iPhones and iPads sell by the millions? Also, believe it or not, a lot of these people actually care about carbon footprint and environmental responsibility, and don't mind paying a bit more because of it. These are the people asking for the information in this article. Steve Jobs has figured out a long time ago that "you don't sell a steak, you sell the sizzle". Most people care about an easy, positive experience when using a computer to surf and research on the web, follow family and friends on Facebook, read and write emails, look at their pictures and videos, create and distribute the odd family newsletter, write letters, track inventory and sales, keep track of household finances and budget, or take notes at a meeting or lecture. They may even spend a couple of hours a week playing games, but it's certainly not a lifestyle for them.

The number of computers sold to non programmers, non gamers outweighs those that are by a huge margin. Get off the bandwagon. If you have some insight into what this overwhelming majority of people are looking for in a computer, and can give them useful & relevant guidance then let's hear it. Otherwise you are wasting space on this discussion thread.

Fed up Mar 30, 2011 12:48 PM

This article isn't for gamers and programmers

No wonder the need for such an article. A simple question of whether the next family computer should be a Mac or PC keeps getting hijacked by gamers and programmers who arrogantly refuse to acknowledge there are millions of computers out there that will never see a line of code written on them and may or may not get a game loaded on them. This so reminds me of the last time I went to buy a stereo system and made the mistake of asking a friend who was an audiophile. Most of their advice was so irrelevant to my real needs, not to mention my wants, that I ended up sorry I asked. I got hit with enough specs and numbers to turn me off in no time. What the heck to I care that my stereo will reproduce sounds I can’t hear anyway??

Adam Abbey-Ryah Mar 30, 2011 6:04 AM

@Susan & Jon, (same person probably!)

Congratulations, you can use a search engine!
Hallelujah!
Google'd my nick eh?
Wow, I'm blown away by your intelligence.

I was BETA-TESTING Star Trek Online(I was asked to), I do not, however, play it. So that's that trash done with.

I both edit, and modify Racing games on my PC, something you lack both the skill and equipment to do, so don't jump to conclusions or make judgement there either.

I have spent, in the past, more on a PC, than any Mac costs, and have benefitted nicely from it thank you very much.
(Clearly another Apple scientologist)

So, I 'look gay' do I?

Not that I am, but instead of offering an intelligent piece to this discussion, you bring hate and discrimination.

If you had looked at the rest of my pictures wherever you found them, you'd see I was also a professional DH cyclist, and am a qualified martial arts instructor, among many other things, oh and I sing from time to time.

Wow, SUPER GAY huh?

This is called Bright Hub, not Fight Club, so I tell you, the true Spanner here, either put up or shut up.
Either bring something useful to the table, or don't bring anything at all, because right now, all you are bringing to the table is claptrap.

Nick Mar 29, 2011 4:27 PM

Development

I understand where alot of the mac fan boys are coming from, but as a consistent developer on modDB and indieDB.

Out of the entirety of my works on Gamemodes for garrysmod and other source games, and complete mods themselves, I never want to touch apples set up for dev's.

these contracts and different processes they require you go through before they even check whether they will allow your product into the appstore is rediculous. the screw you up the @$$ for funds, and essentially gives you very little control over your OWN CREATION. too controversial a topic? out it goes. never been proven to sell? probably not. you want 90% of the earnings off the app? not gonna happen.

along with this, working on mods for source games is a b*tch now that they added mac compatibility. I can't tell you how many times people have asked me how to install various skins and new model packs into their game, because they have no idea how to maneuver around a proper file structure. these things that are so simple to understand on pc seem to have been lost in the translation. and don't give me that sh*t about moving and editing pictures with aperture. if you really want to get into the complexities of picture design and such, consider this:

-how many apple users do you see writing and using their own scripts for events and renders in photoshop?

-how many non proffesional apple users are using plug ins for photoshop?

-how many flash developers do you see using apple?

-how many programmers and computer engineers do you see using apple computers for their work?

the operating system they offer is designed for symplicity, not for customizability or for productivity. sure its nice to run 100 small useless applications at once, but do you know how to make a macro for auto setting configurations for your programs on startup?

granted if you do, i guarantee that there aren't many others so stop with this bullsh*t about good applications and such on a severely limited OS

Susan,you know who I am. Mar 29, 2011 1:46 PM

Spanner

@Krayzeebyker (you crazy boy! and spelt with a K, sweet) Not only into souped up PC's but a Trekky aswell. Probably plays car racing games on his PC. Gay

Jon Mar 29, 2011 12:38 PM

Faggot Adam

Krayzeebyke, or should I say Adam Abbey-Ryah, get a life. All you can do is bang on about how fast your PC is. Earn some real money and treat yourselt to a decent Mac. Done. PS. and you look gay.

Analogman Mar 28, 2011 3:18 PM

Interesting note

I find it interesting that you state that you cannot install OS X on a PC legally. This is not the PCs problem. Apple does not allow it to be installed on a PC. Also, how does "you can run the competitor's software" become a strenght? If you need to run their software, it's possible you didn't buy the right computer.

Krayzeebyker Mar 27, 2011 1:25 PM

@ Mark

I know of countless people (including many photographers and designers)that either dual or triple-boot different OS's. Usually a mix of Win7, Ubuntu and MacOS.

Do they buy Macs to do this on?

No.

They have Macs at work sure, but they BUY based on the hardware they NEED, and the software, on ANY machine, will only run as fast as the hardware underneath it.

Granted, Windoze(as the Mac users love calling it) is not well optimised, and therefore, for any given hardware spec, a Mac/Linux-based machine will be slightly faster.

But where CS/3dsMAX is the industry norm, it matters little what you end up using, OS-wise, more that it provides a streamlined work environment.

Of the 100+ design firms that have requested 2D/3D workstations, and/or rendering machines/farms through me, ALL of them have gone with PC's.

Why did they do this?

Given that a single top-spec rendering machine can cost upwards of 10,000GBP, and a MAC equivalent either usually doesn't exist, or does not meet the spec requirements without being, on average, 30% more costly, it's just common sense.

I am fed up with Mac users, especially those that are unaware of what ELSE exists, claiming that ''X'' software won't run on Windows, or cannot be gotten to work through it.

Moreover, that they are easier to use than PC's.

It comes down mainly to you, me or the collective ''US'', and how we were exposed, and later immersed in computers.

I was highly computer literate, LONG before I ever studied them.

Thus I have NO problem with
Windows, nor with Mac, and particularly with Mac/Win networking and server issues (there are MANY) that I cannot fix, given the time.

The sad fact is, most people have switched to Mac from PC, because of these problems, and consequently, having never learned to deal with them, or troubleshoot on their own, they are out of their depth WHATEVER machine they use.

''A little knowledge is a very dangerous thing''
- and this sums up the AVERAGE Mac user succinctly

Mark Mar 26, 2011 7:45 PM

Alienware

Yup, it sounds impressive. Why with this machine I could 5 zillion windows open at the same time...and I could type so fast my keyboard would melt...and I could watch 8 movies at the same time.

I could work on hundreds of my photos at once..oh wait, Aperture isn't available on the PC. Well, I could work on dozens of my videos all at the same time..oh Final Cut Pro and Motion are not available for the PC...

If you are only interested in games, then you have completely missed the point of this whole article and the ensuing discussion.

If all you do is play games then thats the machine for you. Go for it. For the rest of us, the Mac is plenty fast enough.

Mark Mar 25, 2011 1:26 PM

@Bob

Of course you're not going to want a mac to develop windows programs. I'm not even sure why you decided to post this. This thread is obviously not for you.

Mark Mar 25, 2011 12:21 PM

Collecting applications?

Exactly how many applications does one need? I keep hearing the argument that PCs are better because you can get all these apps. Exactly how many do you need?

I use my computer for a lot of things for both business and pleasure (except gaming) and I've not run into this limitation with two exceptions. I love MS OneNote for business and it's not available for OSX, and I really like ProShow Gold from Photodex, also not available on the Mac. I haven't yet found an adequate Mac replacement for ProShow, although there are several very interesting alternatives. I just discovered something better than OneNote which is only available on the Mac. It's called Curio from Zengobi.

I'm really curious to know exactly what apps the average user really needs that don't have a replacement or alternative on the Mac??? Even Microsoft has put MSOffice on the Mac, and they've done a bang up job. IMHO it works better on the Mac than a PC because they were smart and incorporated some of the great Mac OS features.

I can't comment on gaming. I do understand that the Macs enormously growing market share has made the gamer world wake up and the most popular games are either already ported to the Mac or it is on the roadmap.

Krayzeebyker Mar 25, 2011 2:21 AM

@Laurence

My Man!

Alienware, whilst not always the most attractive computers, are some of the best off the shelf computers there are.

Backlit keyboard? Check.

Latest hardware? Check.

Ability to stomp a MacBook into dust, performance-wise? Check.

They are pricey, but at least you get a top of the line spec in there, rather than just a top of the line chassis and marketing department.

I ran benchmarks on Linux Ubuntu, with a Top end MBPro 15''(2.3Ghz core i7)against an Alienware m15x (2.13Ghz core i7), and the Alienware didn't just beat the MB, it SMASHED it, the processor was nearly twice as fast, the ram had higher bandwidth and read/write performance, the hard disk (although both were 256Gb solid state drives), was faster too, and the graphics card just blows the Mac away.
Running Oblivion at max resolution/settings on both, the Mac got approx. 25fps, Whereas the Alienware was pushing 50-60 HAPPILY!

Bob Mar 22, 2011 3:08 PM

I'm a software developer

The only use I'd have for a Mac is writing iPhone apps.

PCs have way better development tools, can be more easily configured, and are easier to get alternative OSes running on... yes, I know boot camp blah blah blah. But can boot camp run Android? I'm guessing no.

J. Mar 20, 2011 7:23 PM

Reply to Swiss.

"1st I can get ANY program for my PC, with a mac this is not possible."

I can already think of some programs you can't get on a PC. Final Cut, Logic Pro and Shake... to name a few.

"2nd PCs are worlds ahead in gaming."

On the few games I played using my Mac, compared to my friend's PCs, I had a much higher framerate. A normal Mac is much better than a normal PC, within the games that are compatible, I can just install Windows via Bootcamp, for any games that aren't compatible.

"3rd They cost WAY less than a mac."

Believe it or not, you get more bang for your buck using a Mac. The hardware/software combination you get when you buy a Mac, compared to when you buy a PC far outweighs the PC.

"4th you can customize them as much as you want.
I'm sure there are a lot more reasons for me to state my references but I'll elave it at that.
that said, I know that for video editing and other media thigns macs are WORLDS ahead of PCs, which for me is fine, since I just take pictures and with CS5, Lightroom, Photmatic I've never had problem with my PC."

Well, that's one point where I can agree with you. Macs aren't very customizable.

"So My thing is, get what fits your need, at the moment I prefer a PC, but that doesn't meand I will never get a mac. This also doesn't mean that I wont stop making fun of people who love macs :) Hehehehehehehehehee"

That last little statement was exorbitantly ignorant.

Laurence Mar 19, 2011 8:27 PM

Mac vs PC

Just bought an Alienware for the price of the base model for the Mac book pro 15" with FAR (I mean extremely far) better specs, better screen and 3 years breakdown/theft/accidental damage cover so who cares if it fails? I get a new one for free!

Swiss Mar 8, 2011 12:45 PM

hehehehe

I'll start of by saying I'm a pc fan :) I like to rag on mac lovers, hehehehe, this dosnt mean that I dont like macs. I think they are great machines but they arent for me. For me PCs are much bettre for many reason.
1st I can get ANY program for my PC, with a mac this is not possible.
2nd PCs are worlds ahead in gaming.
3rd They cost WAY less than a mac.
4th you can customize them as much as you want.
I'm sure there are a lot more reasons for me to state my references but I'll elave it at that.
that said, I know that for video editing and other media thigns macs are WORLDS ahead of PCs, which for me is fine, since I just take pictures and with CS5, Lightroom, Photmatic I've never had problem with my PC.
So My thing is, get what fits your need, at the moment I prefer a PC, but that doesn't meand I will never get a mac. This also doesn't mean that I wont stop making fun of people who love macs :) Hehehehehehehehehee

Mick Zing Mar 7, 2011 3:39 PM

future

Mac vs PC

=

Design vs Technology.

We both need each other.

Dimitrios Mar 5, 2011 3:23 AM

MAC - The Simple Choice

I use a PC at work and all Macs at home. Macs are far easier to use , and aside from the fact I have never bought virus protection and never had virus on my computer, they don't freeze up or have crashes as PCs tend to do over time.

In terms of the cost of purchasing a Mac, Microsoft makes it money off of software. Apple makes its money off of innovative computing devices, phones, largest online music store, IPADS, IPODS, and now add applications. You pay more for a PC over the duration period of time with all the software you have to purchase, that you otherwise would not with a Mac.

The software that comes with a Mac is far better. I Tunes the largest online music store. I Photo allows you to separate your photos based on Faces PLaces and Events, and allows you to purchase photo books and calendars directly through I Photo. IDVID allows you to create DVDs for picture photo slideshows. Garage Band allows you to create music. None of this type of software comes with a PC because Microsoft wants you to purchase it.

You cannot compare a Quad Core PRocessor on a PC vs running a Quad Core Processor on a Mac because they operate on different operating systems. Macs are much quicker than PCs, even with same amount of RAM and Processors.

One other thing to bring up. Aside from the computer aspect, people line in droves of lines waiting for Apple Product whenever a new product comes out. Eg. IPOD, IPhone, IPAD, and now IPAD2. When have you seen someone waiting hours in a line for a PC? Apple is far more innovative, although Microsoft has distribution. The main competitor to watch out for is Google with their different types of Android PRoducts. They will compete with Apple far more than any Microsoft Product.

Mitch Norton Mar 3, 2011 2:54 AM

Simple Choice

Games... PC users just plain have more fun!!! As for the Mac vs. PC wars, they really are getting old, if you Mac users are happy using their rather overpriced machines then have fun, who are we to take that away from them. The reason I stick to PC though is value for money. Try getting a quad core mac with a gtx 470 for under $1,000.

Austin Mar 2, 2011 3:49 PM

mac VS PC.

i have always been a Pc The Macs are just to complicated my old SCHOOL had at least 10 at the minimum

C.B.Plewes Mar 1, 2011 1:36 PM

iMacs damaging discs

I bought a new iMac (27"/quad core/ 'top of the line') Feb. last year. A few weeks after I discovered that this new machine was severely scratching discs, much to the dismay of the local public library, friends and associates,.......I have been going back and forth with Apple for months now. I have had the hard case altered, then replaced, then the optical drive was replaced, but it continues to destroy discs!! I have now dealt with 4 different Apple 'specialists' who PROMISED ME THEY WOULD KEEP IN TOUCH UNTIL A SOLUTION WAS FOUND! These 'fixes' did not work, and now Apple will not return my calls or emails. They have decided that it is 'user error' that is to blame. I have been 'left out in the cold' and they just do not care. I spent over $2,000 dollars on a frustrating disaster!What am I supposed to do??????

Krayzeebyker Mar 1, 2011 8:19 AM

@ Josh

''PS. I find that most of these mac vs pc wars start with a pc nerd raging. I have yet to see a mac user flare up from the beginning. We just know that we are better and don't have to argue about it. We're already in heaven. :)''

Well, they do say ignorance is bliss.

I have supported both Mac and PC, for many years, take it from me, as the guy who has to fix it when it all goes wrong, that Mac is not the pinnacle it claims to be.

If you want the best, get Linux Ubuntu, with Compiz Fusion.......best of both worlds.....

Des Feb 28, 2011 9:51 AM

I own both

I use a PC windows machine for the accounts and other boring stuff and a Mac Pro for onsite video transfers and editing. The PC is a dinosaur that sits on the desk and clunks away while the Mac is quick and easy to use enabling us to be more productive on location. Both machines have their own job function.

Jenny Hall Feb 28, 2011 9:46 AM

@Krayzeebyker

I'm sorry, did I touch a nerve? It seems that the only comeback a PC/windows consumer has is that we buy mac's because we are told to or because they look good. I don't think so, I just want my computer to work and make as much money as quickly as possible rather than dickin' about with a PC that gets slower by the day.

Josh Feb 26, 2011 1:31 AM

Past Present Future

I find the PC crowd getting more upset each year as Apple overtakes them. I Had been a PC user/geek for 15 years before buying my first mac. I was one of those idiotic people who bagged macs before using too and I can tell you it was all to do with immaturity hahaha. I have been using a mac now for 6 years and feel very very comfortable within the os x environment. I can comfortably say my machine will run at factory fresh performance until the hardware dissolves into thin air.

If you do video, Final cut pro is the industry standard

If you work with sound, Logic is the industry standard

If you work with the Adobe suite, it is proven over and over that it runs much more stable and efficiently on os x than windows

Now even autodesk are making the transition to mac because they realise windows is a dying breed and they do not wish to become bankrupt when the transition becomes too strong.

Games is a new one. Most of the most popular titles are transitioning to mac and sure they are not running as well as windows can run because game developers are used to writing to direct x (windows only). Now game devs are starting to write natively to os x and when the new open gl drivers are released, macs will be on par with windows gaming if not better.

Intel just released their lightpeak / thunder bolt yesterday. It debuted on the macbook pro line. No PCs have this luxury of hardware yet and probably won't for a while. This just proves that mac is slowly taking over. Maybe this is the prediction for 2012? :P

PS. I find that most of these mac vs pc wars start with a pc nerd raging. I have yet to see a mac user flare up from the beginning. We just know that we are better and don't have to argue about it. We're already in heaven. :)

Mark Feb 21, 2011 12:12 PM

response to Justin

I manage AMS teams at some very large companies i.e. they can afford the best techs. Windows servers must be rebooted on a regular basis or their performance degrades. The Linux systems rarely have to be recycled. Mac and Linux are based on Unix. Hope that helps answer your question.

Mark Feb 21, 2011 12:05 PM

Hey ChaozUT (pt 2)

Much of the discussion on this article seems to be around Windows and PCs being hardware agnostic. This appears to be a better model to many, and it has advantages, but it's a huge obstacle for MS and PCs in general to improve - especially quickly. MS Office for Mac is a perfect example.

Another significant thread in this discussion is around MS vs. Apple business practices. Who cares? I just want a tool that allows me to get my work done as quickly and efficiently as possible. Does this type of argument ever come up when I'm choosing kitchen appliances, a GPS for my car, or a TV? No. I only care that the features suit my needs, the tool does the job the way it's supposed to, the company is going to be around for a while in case I choose to extend the useful life of the product as far as I can take it, and I can afford it i.e. the purchase value fits within my perception of reasonable.

I suggest anyone looking at either system do the math in terms of cost. The total cost of ownership must include hardware + software + the expense of keeping it running (learning curve, tech knowledge, time spent chasing down issues, etc)

Mark Feb 21, 2011 11:35 AM

Hey ChaozUT

Just got back from a vacation. I paid a lot of $$ to go on a tour when I could have rented a car and gone on a self guided tour. Is the tour company a rip off? I paid an accountant to do my taxes, and a lawyer to update my will. I probably could have done these things myself. Does that mean these service industries are a rip off? The Geek Squad exists because there is a demand. It's economics at it's most basic. What's the point of belittling anyone who uses these services?

I use both Win7 and a Mac daily. Win7 is indeed very nice in some ways, much better than it's predecessors. All I'm saying, and all I've ever said is that overall I prefer working on the Mac. Yes, the hardware is more expensive so the cost of ownership seems expensive, until you add in the cost of software. I believe the total cost of ownership is quite comparable. You do not have the hardware options on a Mac that you do on a PC. I've not yet found the need. You do not have many of the productivity / integration features on a PC that the Mac has out of the box. The MacOS is constantly and rapidly improving. Windows has been mostly stagnant. Win7 added some usability features - nice ones, but it's main intent was to fix many OS level issues that have been persistent for years. Why didn't MS fix these things before? I think MS finally woke up to the fact that the Mac is serious competition and they are finally forced to keep up. We users, whether on a PC or a Mac, are all winning in this competition.

Neither system is perfect. The Mac also has some stuff I would change or add given the choice. I do find the Mac much more convenient and intuitive, and I'm more productive on it than the PC. So far I find it more reliable and faster (regardless of the hardware specs). By the way, I use MS Office on the Mac because I like it. It's expensive compared to Mac software in general but the latest version for the Mac is kick-ass because it takes advantage of many really nice built in Mac features.

kevin Feb 21, 2011 7:18 AM

he Benefits of Mac vs. PC

Too many fan boys on any debate i.e Ati vs Nivida etc. Buy what you like! But I must say, I love PC's better than Macs because I am in more control when it comes to upgrading etc.

Yes we do suffer more from viruses etc, but we suffer more because we are more! More pc's in this world than mac's. So we are the bigger target.

You need more skills with a PC for sure, but hey, the learning curve, your IQ will go up, Ha! But hey, I can fix my PC 99.999 % of the time.

I love my PC because it has taught me to do things myself, rather than having to send it of elswhere at a cost!

Krayzeebyker Feb 18, 2011 12:50 PM

@ Justin

Part 2
A good case (to protect your investment)
A decent power supply (again, to protect your investment.)

The best motherboard you can fit into your budget (makes a big difference also.)

Overclocking is a good way to increase the performance of a machine, but within reason.
For example;
I recently built my mother a machine, with a Core2Quad running at 2.5Ghz, I overclocked it to 3Ghz, and it still runs PERFECTLY stable, with no increase in noise, and VERY LITTLE increase in temperature, (like 3 degrees C).
She has 6Gb of DDR2, and a fast 500Gb system disk (WD Caviar Black), she also has an nVidia GTX 460 graphics card, which is enough for most things.

We got the Motherboard, RAM, CPU, Graphics Card, and hard disks (she also has a 1TB storage disk), for approximately 400-450 pounds sterling, 3 months ago.

Now, to buy an equivalent machine off the peg, costs significantly more than that, and will not be configured to taste.

Also, her machine boots up SO fast, that if you button it on, and then leave the room to put the kettle on, it is in Windows and ready, by the time you come back.

Don't BUY antivirus, as most of them hog resources like mad, instead get the one I mentioned in one of my earlier posts, and let it do what it does.

Remember, Mac's are PC's underneath nowadays, with substandard hardware in many area's, so why pay for just the name and the OS?

Get a PC, and laugh at those silly enough to empty their bank accounts, just to have a shiny bit of plastic/magnesium, that works no better, if you know how to do literally 15-20 minutes of maintenance every 3 months or so...if that.

Oh, and by the way, my mum's machine gets an average of 7.2 out of 7.9 on the Windows Experience Index, not bad for the money, especially when you consider that to get 7.9 out of 7.9, would require at least 500 pounds more in hardware, like a solid state hard drive, better GFX card, and better CPU and RAM.

Totally not worth it!
Hit me if you need help/advice....

Krayzeebyker Feb 18, 2011 12:31 PM

@ Justin

Part 1
Hi Justin,
To be honest with you, Windows' registry still has the ability to get clogged. I personally use a free program, called EFRC (Eusing Free Registry Cleaner) the same company also does a free registry defragger. I run these every few months, and they do a good job of minimising the effects.
They take a very short time to run, and do a good job, also good at getting rid of useless entries from old software that you no longer have.

There are however, some important things to consider;
1) With current hardware, Win7 x64 runs REALLY well, DESPITE its' flaws.
2) You should always try to have as LITTLE as possible trying to load on startup, as that will make it feel sluggish, and it is unnecessary anyway.
3) For the price of a decent iMac, MacBook Pro, or Mac Pro, I will GUARANTEE that you can build something superior for less money.
4) When the inevitable time comes to upgrade, you can pick and choose what you want/need, at a lower price, from more retailers.

I have a dock program, like the dashboard on MacOS, so I can quickly and easily launch programs without searching, plus it looks nice! lol

I have a program to hide either ALL of my desktop icons, or only those which are unused the majority of the time, to keep it looking pretty.

The best media player, bar NONE, is Foobar 2000, amazing sound quality, tons of options, including a built in transcoder, and I believe, an option to transfer to a device, like an iPod. But the best bit is, the low memory footprint.

You could always dual-boot with Linux Ubuntu, which is now VERY impressive indeed, and not much different to use than a Mac.

For a spec, try looking for; Intel Core i5 or Core i7, 4-8Gb of DDR2-3 RAM.
A 7200RPM Hard-drive, with at least 500Gb for your system( or 2 drive's in RAID 0, with a 2nd LARGER disk, for storage, and/or backup purposes.
A decent Graphics card, (if you don't play games, then this doesn't have to be amazing)
A decent soundcard (makes a LOT of difference)
A good case.....

Justin Feb 15, 2011 5:09 PM

Help me decide - - -

I'm due for a new computer and I'm considering a mac, due to owning an iPod touch, and having bought my wife an iPad and an iPhone, both of which we like.

However, my one sticking point is the Nazi-like grip that iTunes has on media, and the lack of bluray support. I have actually lost iTunes purchases, apparently for good, due to not being familiar with iTunes and having a hard drive crash. Have no idea how to re-download them. Fortunately, it was only three CDs worth.

iTunes is the most user unfriendly piece of software I've ever owned, and Apple makes transfering media back and forth between iTunes and the portable devices a royal pain. These are my loan sticking points, and while I think I'd like to buy a Mac, I absolutely detest iTunes. It has been a bloated memory hog on my PC, causes my computer to run noticeably slower, etc.

Now, I have a modest collection of ripped mp3s that iTunes handles decently. I'd say between audio books and songs I have about a 20 gig collection, which is small compared to other folks.

Frankly, I'm torn. I dislike the accumulated garbage that Windows gathers in its registry and the absolute lack of support MS provides in registry cleaning. In short, all of my PCs' performance degrades over time, no matter how many times I clean the registry or defrag the hard drive. Are Mac's prone to this as well?

Krayzeebyker Feb 15, 2011 12:02 PM

@ Jenny Hall

Spoken like a truly blind consumer.
I never have to convince myself that I made the right choice, and nor would you, if you realised that a computer is a tool.
If you were to see, and pick up a chainsaw for the first time, and assumed that you could use it, you would probably chop off something unfortunate, well a computer can be similarly unforgiving.
Thankfully I grew up around them, so have spent many years familiarising myself with them and their operation, but I can still see how they puzzle the uninitiated.

I am not sure how many times this needs to be said.
My PC, is faster, with better quality components, looks far nicer (because I chose the way it looks, rather than having Steve Jobs tell me how it SHOULD look), almost NEVER crashes, and can be upgraded, or have parts replaced, at a fraction of the cost, with higher quality components, that I can choose, instead of being TOLD what I can, and cannot use.

If you think this is hogwash, see what happens to your precious Apple warranty, if you try to use upgrade parts, that are not Apple-certified.

When will you people (aimed at the blind consumer in general) WAKE UP?

You are being spoon-fed one man's vision of what computing should be like, and you don't even bother to question it.

YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR OWN INFORMED DECISIONS. Why?

Because if you believe that companies tell you the truth in adverts and promotions, then get real, hell even the news doesn't tell the truth any more.

If you knew the difference in reporting between different news channels, because of their different interests, either politically, or financially, or for some other reason, it might shock you.

That is, it might shock you if you weren't lapping up the morphine, that mindless consumerism is akin to.

DON'T BUY THINGS BECAUSE YOU ARE TOLD TO, OR BECAUSE THEY ARE SHINY, BUY THEM BECAUSE THEY FULFILL A PURPOSE, CORRECTLY.

Leonardo Da Vinci, and his peers, would all turn in their graves to see such blissful ignorance.

Jenny Hall Feb 14, 2011 11:21 AM

Simple

Buy a mac and never look back or buy a pc and try to convince yourself every day that you made the correct choice.

ChaozUT Feb 3, 2011 12:10 PM

RE: The Benefits of Mac vs. PC

Hey Mark, I know how to open the door to my house, adjust the thermostat, change a light bulb, and flush the toilet. I know how to put the car in reverse, how to do a 3-point turn, and how to pump gas. My point is that these are all things that the average person would be expected to know how to do if they own something (house, car, whatever). You're taking the analogy too far by comparing installing a program to building a house.

Also, my comment regarding "incompetency" as you'd like to put it, was targeted mainly at Geek Squad, which is one of the biggest rip offs I know. I don't think that someone who doesn't know how to take apart a computer and fix it is stupid, but some of the services Geek Squad provides are just outrageously expensive for the kind of stuff they are doing - some of the most basic things like clicking "yes" 5 times to install a program. I guess if you want to own a car without knowing how to drive it, then more power to you.

But yeah, thanks for insulting my opinion about Geek Squad, but what do you have to say about my actual comments on Mac vs. PC? How about commenting on those points? And I would appreciate it if the comments came with less insults this time.

Mark Feb 3, 2011 10:22 AM

Stupid?

Hey ChaozUT. This discussion thread has often gone from the sublime to the absolutely ridiculous but you've just hit a new low. Do you know how to fix your own car, or build your own house, fix your plumbing or electrical? Have you made your first $M yet writing a book, in real estate, the stock market, or running your own business? Why not? Are you old, stupid, or just illiterate? And by the way, I'm sure you meant to say incompetent. Anybody illiterate wouldn't be worrying much about a computer, would they?

People who have done these things use a computer as a tool. They have no interest in tinkering with, or building a computer, and it takes away from their core business when they have to do so. I'm a computer industry consultant. I can fix my own computer, but it costs me way too much money in lost billing time to spend a couple of hours tinkering with my computer instead of working.

I've been a Mac user for 2 1/2 years now, after close to 20 years of working on MS machines. I now trust my computer to be there when I need it far more than I could in the past.

I apologize in advance if you're offended, but you really don't get it.

Domenic Iglesias Feb 3, 2011 10:12 AM

I think that mac is better

I presonaly think that mac is alot better than pc because? idk lmao it just better lol

bizzyhome Feb 1, 2011 7:06 PM

A Mac can save you

I'm sure you all know that it's more than market share that protects Macs from malware. With that said, let me tell you this: I remember the days when I only used a PC; I'll never get back the hours that I spent chasing down viruses and hoping to find the right software to correct them, nor is there any compensation for the angst-filled days that my computer just didn't work, nor is there recompense for the sorrowful waste of my mind and spirit as I clicked away endless pop ups. Thank God Almighty for my Mac!! It is worth every penny that I spent. It works! It works! It works! Free at last.

FDEL Jan 29, 2011 12:13 AM

Agree with ChaozUT

Especially on the "Operating System Flexibility" point. Seriously, Apple is the CAUSE of not being able to install OSX on PCs. And bringing up Linux is moot because it can be installed on anything.

Personally, I also find Apple's visual design for their hardware tasteless. The keyboard for Macbooks for instance look like plastic buttons belonging in a 5-year-old's toy drawer, not a high-tech tool for today's professionals, and those giant palmrest areas... it just screams "waste of space."

ChaozUT Jan 28, 2011 11:49 PM

RE: The Benefits of Mac vs. PC

Ah and I forgot to mention this, regarding Geek Squad. If you are actually willing to pay them that much money for the kind of work they do, then you are probably better off just getting a Mac >.>

If you know how to Google, and are willing to spent a few minutes to learn something new, then you would never ever need Geek Squad. Geek Squad is the biggest rip off ever and mostly feed off of old, stupid, and/or illiterate people. It costs $30 (CDN) just for them to install a software for you (i.e. insert disk and click "Yes" 2-3 times.)

I apologize in advance if you are offended, but that's just how I feel :/

ChaozUT Jan 28, 2011 11:28 PM

RE: The Benefits of Mac vs. PC

Part 2

Now for some general personal opinions... I personally think that Apple products in themselves are indeed very high quality (if cost efficiency is not a factor). However, I really don't like the general attitude that Apple is taking with it's products. They are very restricting and close mouthed about all their products. You are either with them or against them. You buy their products, and they will tell you what you can and cannot do with these products. It's their way or the high way. I feel a strong sense of irony whenever I rewatch the 1984 Macintosh commercial, where Apple is supposedly rebelling against "Big Brother". Now Apple has BECOME Big Brother. If Apple were ever to dominate the market, it would be a sad day for innovation. I own an iPhone 4 (jailbroken :D) and I love it because it is a very high quality and robust piece of hardware. However, I always tell my friends this: "The only thing I don't like about the iPhone is Apple."

Oh, and here's a hilarious link I found resently comparing PC and Mac. It's very PC-biased and probably not 100% accurate, but still pretty funny ^_^

http://naurunappula.com/579051/mac-vs-pc-taistelut.jpg

ChaozUT Jan 28, 2011 11:27 PM

RE: The Benefits of Mac vs. PC

Part 1

@ OS X: the term "simplicity" cuts both ways. Easier to use perhaps, for those who have no idea what they're doing, but simpler does not necessarily equal better.

@ Operating System Flexibility: you cannot install OS X legally (is it actually illegal?) on PC's but can install Windows on Macs not because OS X is more flexible, but because WINDOWS is more flexible. You know why you can't install OS X on PC? Because Apple doesn't want you to. Also, do you know why there are not nearly as many MAC viruses? Because no hacker (or at least very few) cares enough to bother making viruses for it. Analogy: When you are a celebrity, you'll attract paparazzi (and then everyone will know about your dirty secrets and naughty deeds >:D)

@ Design: cosmetically, Macs are visually appealing if you like the minimalist design. However, that's about all the choice you have on cosmetics, and you'll either like it or you don't. PC's offer much more cosmetic customizations (case designs, liquid cooling, LEDs, huge-ass CPU fans, etc.). I won't argue with build quality though. Apple products do have very high build quality (speaking as an iPhone 4 owner).

@ Apple's Innovation: I don't think Apple actually invented the concept of multi-touch, just brought it into the mainstream. iTunes runs on windows too so that point is moot. There is no Dell Tunes, but there are plenty of Windows-compatible media players for you to choose from (Winamp, Zoom, WMP, etc.)

@ Awesome Compatibility with OTHER MAC PRODUCTS: why even bring this point up. Compatibility is one of the areas where Windows DOMINATES Mac. I probably don't even need to discuss this any further...

@ Good Default Software: If all you will ever need is the default software, then so be it...

Krayzeebyker Jan 17, 2011 4:42 PM

@ Josh

I agree with your statement about Macs being PC's too, however, Apple started that rubbish with their advertising.

Why?

Because they want to associate Windows with the old-guard, whereas they see their brand as young, cool and hip.

In that sense, they were aiming for the Political-Correctness connotation, which is seen as an out of date idea, more akin to the 90's than the 00's.

I'm not really a Mac Hater, I just can't stand products that are over hyped and under-perform.
Nor those that cause people to buy them with blind obedience.

The number of people that trade in their iPhone for a new one, just because it's new and shiny and has one or two extra lil features is shocking.
The number of those who believe that it is the best phone on the market at any given time is even more alarming!

I mean fair enough, if you want to buy a nice pen, it's a fairly safe bet that a Mont Blanc, Waterman, Sheaffer or Caran d'Ache will satisfy your kudos meter, likewise with Cartier, Breguet, etc for a nice watch.

But really, what can they do that a £10 Parker pen, or a £20 Casio watch can't?
The answer is, not much.

Ok, sure the Mont Blanc might last longer, and the Cartier might be more accurate for longer, but does that really justify spending £2,000 instead of £20? Err no!

Now those examples may be exaggerated for effect, but the problem is, the only real selling point for Apple is the OS,(and perhaps the build quality on the MBooks).
People bang on to me all the time about the MacBook keyboard design, or the fact that it illuminates, well they stole that 'chiclet' KB design from Sony, and they are far from the first company to make an illuminated notebook KB either.

As I have said before, iMacs use LAPTOP parts, which are CERTAIN to be slower than their desktop equivalents, due to size and heat constraints.

I would truly like to see Apple produce a desktop computer, between the iMac and the MacPro, that is reasonably priced, and uses mainstream parts.

for now...

Josh Bambrick Jan 14, 2011 7:10 PM

Mac PC

The fact that this article is entitled "MAC VS. PC" just shows how little you know about what you are talking about. Macs are PCs. You could say Mac PC vs Windows PC or OS X vs Windows but Mac vs PC makes no sense. Secondly, anything that can be done on a Mac can be done with Windows, better and for cheaper. Even if you like the OS X UI you can download any number of thousands of apps for Windows to transform how it looks, even ones specifically designed to make it look like OS X. For me, there is no need Windows 7 looks great anyway! Apple try to market it as 'cool' but is all just marketing BS. It has no real advantages whatsoever. You mentioned 'advantages' but none of them really make any difference.

SB Jan 7, 2011 9:51 AM

PC... Personal Computer... I think a Mac is a personal computer too, no?

Virus? my old comp (6 years at that date) died off due to a virus / trojan (don't remember). but I also went on malicious sites and clicked on suspicious stuff, while not using a good antivirus. So, that was caused by stupidity.
Crashes? every time I could trace the cause of the crash back to... that's right, me! Again, that was caused by stupidity.
Design? that depends on what you like. I love the Win7 and Vista interface. Most important programs at the bottom, others on the desktop / start... Aero's quite nice with the transparency, and I also like resizing on all sides of the windows.
Internet? opera. Screw IE, screw Firefox, screw Safari, screw Chrome (I used all, and liked Opera best). If I'm a fanboy, I'm an Opera fanboy.

My definitive opinion:
Mac is living with a babysitter, Windows is being home alone and Linux is building the house.

moki Jan 5, 2011 5:50 AM

pc king

mac is rubish , over pricing, if u want change anything have to go to apple store, there are many software for pc, ilife and so for mac is not advantages, because pc can downnload many advance software in all category and it is free

Poop Jan 3, 2011 8:22 PM

macs

Yes windows can be the same as a mac! But the mac is just overal easier too use and there is not questions asked. More and more student each day use macs and there is something about them that make awesome !!! That is the use! simply sand user friendly!!

quidproms Dec 23, 2010 3:23 PM

macs are good for final cut pro

I've used Macs for weeks on end and Windows for years, and also Unix for years. In the stone ages, Macs were more helpful than Windows. In the modern era, Windows help just as well or better. E.g. I ask the Windows troubleshooter why i cannot hear my audio; it responds that it is muted and asks if I want it unmuted. Whenever I need to connect to a new network, I do it quicker and easier on Windows than on a Mac. I bought a Mac book Pro and wanted the upgrade hardrive. I was told I would have to wait, and on top of that the clumsy geeks at the MAC store would have to install it. Like someone else wrote, the upgrade hard-drive was just a commodity item, nothing special; like a road apple with backlit whip cream. The thing that sets Mac owners apart is that in general they have lots of $$$ to burn, want to let everybody know they are superior beings, and they like some special application on the MAC. I prefer Adobe Premiere on Windows.

Krayzeebyker Dec 21, 2010 6:04 AM

@ Animesh

Your comment is absolutely unfounded.

Mac's CAN get virusses.

Boot time can be just as fast on PC, you just need to set up your system correctly.

Mac's can have just as much memory as a PC.

''Longivity of MAC is 6 yrs, whereas as pc lasts for 3 yrs.''

Absolute rubbish, I challenge you to find me a Mac, that is even 4 years old, that can be compared aginst my 1 year old PC(specs as mentioned in my last post), giving a difference of 3 years.

(But then, if you bought a brand spanking new PC, with an overclocked Intel Core i7 980x, with 12Gb of DDR3-1600 and Raid-0 Solid state drives, it would make my PC feel like a dinosaur too!)

PC and Mac use almost identical hardware, and so they will go out of date at near enough the same rate.

This leaves;
'MAC is costlier than PC.'

Which is an irrefutable fact, and perhaps your only correct statement........

Animesh Dec 17, 2010 2:27 AM

Comparison between MAC & pc

Longivity of MAC is 6 yrs, whereas as pc lasts for 3 yrs.
Boot time is faster in MAC than PC.
MAC is Virus free.
MAC is costlier than PC.
MAC has less memory memory.
For more informations you can visit the website
http://www.cliconomics.com/pc-vs-mac

Animesh

Krayzeebyker Dec 16, 2010 7:59 PM

Reply to comment....

@NyceGuyAtl or anyone that cares.

Thinking of building your own eh?
GO FOR IT!!!

My last PC cost less than £800, more than a year ago.

It is equivalent in performance to a MacPRO, costing £!000's more. An off the shelf PC would also be far more expensive even now, a YEAR later.

My specs are;
Intel Core 2 Quad 12Mb cache @ 3.80Ghz
4Gb DDR2-1066 @ 1200Mhz
2.75+Tb of storage space.
Overclocked ATI Radeon 4890 1GB GPU
(Runs Battlefield Bad Cmpny 2,NFS: Shift, NFS:Hot Pursuit, CoD: Black Ops etc @ 2048x1536 @85hz, all settings Maxed, with 24x Anti-Aliasing (jagged-edge-smoothing) at 60+ FPS, and more demanding games like Crysis, Mafia 2 etc @ 1600x1200 @100hz, again all settings maxed, but only 8x Anti Aliasing, at 40+ FPS)

That is beyond 1080p gaming, and you can build something similar today for £600 or less.

No Apple can come close for that money, nor any off the shelf Pc's,

I have it all built in a black, laser-cut thick aluminium Lian-Li Case (looks like a black metal MacPRO), which is expensive, but is not necessary, you can find a decent case for less than £90.

I can watch 1080p movies on my TV with it, and play HD games on my monitor simultaneously(You'll need a second sound card for that, in order to have separate sound )
I have a wireless Mouse+Kb+PS2 Controller, bluetooth, card-reader, wifi(though i use ethernet) and I don't have Blu-Ray, but I have no need of adding it, as I stream HD from the web.
Windows 7 is a leap forward, but it still has faults. I use a totally free Antivirus with a piratey sounding name, which does a fantastic job for the most part.

Bottom line? If you are thinking of building, don't be scared, think of it as a delicate model kit. Each part has it's place, and all you need is patience and a Philips screwdriver.

Do a bit of research on wikipedia first, or feel free to ask me for help!

I WILL NEVER BUY A MAC, UNTIL THEIR PRICES DROP + THEY STOP USING LAPTOP PARTS ENTIRELY IN DESKTOP COMPUTERS

Spyros Dec 16, 2010 2:27 AM

Macs are simply the best!!

Hi there..i use to be a windows user for lot of years when someone open my eyes..he saw me how everything can be dan much faster, much more seccure, using a device that is much better in quility and style..i admit that are some things that the Macs doesn't support (like see the photos in large scale, i could see this only in iphoto and doesn't seem to be a version that suppport msn video talk yet) but i think that apple support much more applications than used to be..what about that with a single move up in the corner i can use whatever application i need in a fraction of a second..does windows support that?Who could tell me that there is a laptop that i can do everything i need as multitasking faster than in a mac? future!

Zen Dec 5, 2010 8:17 AM

Compare

Windows 7 and Mac OS X are both cool. but well, if we talk about Mac and PC (it's Apple Computer and other brand computer) of course the Mac will be much more better, as well as you may install Windows on it and the design is innovative.

Mark Nov 16, 2010 4:08 PM

You like windows? Stay with windows.

You not happy with windows for any reason? Take a Mac out for a spin. Try Linux. Buy a Mac and Parallels, and you can easily do all three on the same machine. I do. It's awesome. I keep drifting back to OSX as my prime environment, but that's my informed preference.

I don't get the need for contention, especially anyone being obnoxious.

Justin Nov 8, 2010 6:32 PM

Mac vs. PC

Mac is better and more cooler than PC

tim Oct 11, 2010 3:07 AM

RE: The Benefits of Mac vs. PC

I find vista far easier to use than mac os. Mac os seems cluttered and disorgansised with the dock menu, whereas vista's humble taskbar organises everything with ease. I also don't understand the rationale for me to go out and buy a mac, as a friend of mine has said. "Macs don't get viruses" great! neither does my dell. It is my belief that the only thing driving mac sales is that most people grew up with windows and never properly learnt how to use it. So mac is a refreshing change. It seems that mac also relies on "gimmics" more than pc manufacturers. Ipad anyone?

NyceGuyAtl Oct 7, 2010 8:42 PM

Krayzeebyker, I agree

In my experience, anyone can make a case for either PCs or Macs with enough trumped up data. In the end, the decision should be based on your own personal needs and not what everyone else is saying. The idea of building your own system has always been intriguing. Where does one go to acquire these components separately rather than the entire overpriced system packages at the store?

mb Sep 11, 2010 6:25 PM

so which one?

I have a PC I am still running Windows XP and I am dying for an upgradde on everything! Obviously the computer being the first thing. I just need to say that my computer is old (got at xmas of 2003) it is a dell and in the last year I got a new hard drive. IT has not crashed once nor did the original hard drive...........it is just getting slow and not running as I would like SO on to PC or Mac I am still undecided. I need Windows for the kids school - Powerpoint and Publisher, what should I do

Vini Sep 10, 2010 6:11 AM

Things I cant understand about Macs

Well, one thing I cant understand: everybody loves examples with cars, Pcs are honda Macs are Mercedes. Its okay, but macs aren't Mercedes just a mercedes chassis with a Honda motor, and why should i pay thousands of dollars for a chassis and a "brand"? For e.g theres two hdd, each one is 500Gb 7200rpm, 32Mb cache. The cheap one is samsung and its cost 100$, the other one is 200$ just because its sold by apple (dunno the exact price, but it doesnt matter), that is ridiculous... I love macs, dont have any problems with them, in the next few weeks i'll buy one, but the truth is the macs dont give more than a pc (aaaand here comes the maclovers: "my mac is free of viruses, never crash, its stylish blah-blah" who cares about those things. I have a pc and it doesnt crash for 1 years now... 1crash/year is not that bad, that even a normal user can handle. And how many user just simply listen to music, read e-mails and watch pictures all the time. The other feat of arms: its come with "all-in-one".. translation-> operating system, and a bunch of half-"useless" program, this is why a must pay double price? :O "Its easy to use". On windows whats that hard to send an e-mail or watch a picture (because apple thinks, every costumer only wants to do this >.<) Then the windows users can say to, "Ohooho its very easy to use"... Im still loving macs, but truth is truth, macs are very-very overpriced. (Macs cannot be cheaper because they cant/want sell many of them, but they cannot sell many of them because its overpriced. Catch-22. And the last thought, my favourite: Macs can do anything that a windows based pc can... Oh really, then why do you need to run windows under mac/dual boot? This is my thoughts due to the fact that i'll be a mac user soon....

Tom Sep 3, 2010 8:01 AM

Windows != DOS

Just to chime in, somebody write that Windows is DOS based. I'd just like to remind he or she that it's now NT based, and hasn't been DOS based since ME.

I also want to mention that the main thing that bugs me when I go to the Apple store is how they try to convince me that OS X is "more secure" than Windows 7/Vista. If their argument is XP, I'd give it to them. However, they still believe UNIX is some sort of idiot bulletproof vest that stops all vulnerabilities out there. I can say with confidence that I on a fully up to date Windows 7 system (admin or not) am more secure than a computer illiterate who downloads executable smiley faces on a Mac. This happens and everyone here knows it. The only thing saving those people, at the moment, is a lack of coders writing malware for OS X. UNIX security benefits? Flushed right down the toilet since you can do anything you want with your user password. that's why I don't use sudo on my Linux machine.

Another thing I should mention is the notion that Mac hardware is somehow more superior. I took my MacBook in five times for overheating (literally to the melting point), and realized the last time it overheated it wasn't worth my effort to take it in for a sixth. My HP is running above expectations. I'm taking my friend to the Apple Store today because a screw came loose in his optical drive, and scratched up two discs beyond repair. These aren't things that happen out of neglect, it's poor workmanship. The Apple employees are always amazingly nice, but I'd rather my device worked. Even if I sacrifice its being "gorgeous".

Cube Point Aug 3, 2010 4:34 AM

From Unix to FreeBSD to Darwin to OS X

To know more about how OS X formulated please contact me at cubepointinc@yahoo.com...

Nicholas Jun 28, 2010 12:30 PM

Justin - I did

Yep, the Mac OS is unix based. I mention that in this post.

http://www.brighthub.com/computing/mac-platform/articles/72107.aspx?p=5

So no, you don't have to tell me.

In my opinion, OS X is better than Linux, and to most people, OS X and Linux are very different from each other, even if they are both Linux/Unix based.

You even wrote... "Linux GUI is evolving and maybe not quite up to the standard of Mac..."

Yes, I am aware of Apple's business model and strategy, but my opinion is... Mac Products are good products. So even if someone bought a Mac and an iPod, they would be getting a good computer and a good MP3 player. And yes, bill did help Apple out... Maybe Apple has helped out Windows as well, as the competition has pushed both sides to produce better products, which ultimately benefit the consumer.

People who buy Macs aren't stupid. Get a Mac if you want, and get a PC if you want.

Also, I'm not trying to promote Apple over PC. This article was simply to list some things that I believe are benefits of Apple over PC. I had to take a stand when writing this, and I did.

Justin Jun 25, 2010 10:27 AM

Nicholas - do some research

Someone might like to tell the author (Nicholas) that the underlying Operating System of Mac OS X is a Unix based system - which means Linux - hence his comments are ridiculous stating that Mac OS X is better than Linux and that they are totally different 'animals' :) Linux GUI is evolving and maybe not quite up to the standard of Mac - but personally I think it is.
Do some research Nicholas - go to a command line (Terminal) in OS X and try a bunch of Linux commands - they will work.
Mac's work on the idea of Monopolising everything - you have to have an ipod, iphone, imac and now an ipad - wake up! The only reason Mac's are still around is because Bill gave them 5 billion dollars so they wouldn't go down the tube and leave Microsoft as a monopoly.
I guess I really do have to appreciate the people who do buy Mac's - as stupid as they are - they keep MS on their toes and allows me to have great software running on my IBM compatible (rather than 'PC' for those whinging nerds that have to bother explaining what a PC is - who cares - the point being that PC is the common term for an IBM compatible)

Mark Jun 11, 2010 9:43 AM

Agree with Krayzeebyker

Yup. You can buy a car, choosing one of the various quality levels available, or you can become a mechanic and make your own, to your own specifications. You will, of course, have to fix it yourself, too. But then again, if you know enough to build it, you should know enough to keep it running, especially after you add the software that may or may not play nice with the hardware... Your choice.

I have a computer to do other work. I have the knowledge, but I don't have the time, nor the inclination to make the computer itself my focus. I create other stuff using the computer, or I use it to make my life easier, better, faster, cheaper, achieving the business functions I get paid to do, and working on the personal things I enjoy.

I am environmentally conscious so I'm willing to pay a bit more for something that is made of recyclable aluminum and glass, with few harmful chemicals vs. plastic and who knows what else.

I'm willing to pay a bit more for something that pretty much just works when I buy a new camera, phone, scanner, etc.

I have no interest in being a mechanic. I do have an interest in having a computer to do the things I need and want to do, hassle free.

Ade Jun 9, 2010 5:36 PM

Macs are good

I have owned and worked on Pcs for 14yrs and I used to be an ignorant Mac hater until I got one. I already have a work laptop and a PC so I recently swapped my own 3 yr old laptop for a Little Macbook mainly due to the fact that the Mac is obviously worth more and also just to try one out. It is like learning Pcs all over again and it is hard to get used to with everything having a different name and stuff being in a different place. I have noticed they are more stable as it hasn't crashed in over a week, installations seem quicker and more simple, the battery lasts for ever and they look smart. Overall I think Macs are good but WIndows is the king albeit a sometimes unstable king. It is too late for Macs as they will never have the monopoly. Macs are probably better for the less technical kind as PCs take more effort but without them I wouldn't have a job. Just buy both

Mark Jun 7, 2010 2:46 PM

Macs aren't perfect

So, this is where some of the issue is. People confuse new/casual user issues with computer issues, then try to compare Mac vs. Windows. There isn't a computer you can buy that will save you from yourself if you don't understand, or don't care. You will run out of memory if you don't close down applications. You will have problems if you indiscriminately download and install files. You'll see strange problems when your hard drives start to get past 80% full. These aren't Mac or Windows issues.

It bothers me when even Apple points to the lack of virus activity as a Mac attribute. Macs are gaining market share and will be targeted. The move to the Intel chip has opened a few doors. Having said that, the Mac OS architecture is far less available to virus makers. It's based on UNIX, whereas Windows is still based on DOS.

Windows desperately needs a refactoring, if not a rewrite, and probably a redesign in some ways. I frequent many tech sites. Even the windows engineers have admitted, unofficially, that the registry for instance was a bad idea. Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to change their minds now.

Microsoft has a lot of good ideas and Windows is full of good stuff. It's the core code thats outdated. Unfortunately its so huge and the architecture needs so many fundamental changes, that its far less costly to spend mega millions to keep plugging the many holes, than it is to overhaul it.

The other major contributing factor is that Apple builds the hardware, and the software, and provides the approved framework for 3rd party developers. It's all integrated, and it's just common sense that MUST be better. The manufacturing standards are high, which does relate to a bit higher cost. The price of quality.

Microsoft gets into trouble because they have to make a dogs breakfast of hardware, peripherals, and software standards work together, AND try to keep up with innovations. I don't think many people realize how near impossible that is to sustain

Krayzeebyker Jun 7, 2010 11:28 AM

Sorry, but most of the comments on here are biased.

I myself have a bias. That bias is to NEVER buy anything off the shelf! If you have a halfway decent understanding of how to plug things in, and be careful, build your own computer! To buy a Mac at the same specification as my PC would cost £2,500+ (MacPro), yet I spent less than £800! I run Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit, Have a Quad-Core Cpu, running at 4.0Ghz, 8Gb of DDR3 running at 1800mhz, over 4 terabytes of storage, and a fast graphics card (1GB Radeon 4890 B.E. overclocked). I have the option to add another terabyte for £55, another graphics card for £160, or 8Gb more RAM for £100 approx, all at current market prices. But that is all overkill for me. As it is, I can be connected to 3 networks (2 wired and one wifi-n) at the same time, play a chart-topping 3D-game, watch a 1080p HD film( on the TV as a second monitor), listen to music, be working in Adobe CS5, with multiple MSOffice apps running, and downloading at max bandwidth, all at the same time, and all smoothly! Why on earth would I want to pay 3 times the price for a machine that would struggle to do all of that, if at all. Okay, so I could put bootcamp on a Mac, but I could also put Mac OS on my PC, and have a faster Mac than 99% of Mac users, thats better looking(because I chose it ALL from the ground up), more upgradeable, and has more potential. Apple for me is about simplicity, people that struggle to get to grips with Mp3/4 players, computers or smartphones, buy Apple, but Macs are not the best computers, Ipods are not the best portable media players, and Iphones are not the best smartphones. They are ALL however, far simpler to use than their competition. Just bear in mind, if Microsoft made a computer of their own, instead of having to support all of the many thousands of combinations of parts from different makers, I'm pretty sure it would be just as stable as Mac, of not more so. It is far easier to get things right when your focus is so narrow.

Greg Jun 5, 2010 11:38 PM

Macs aren't perfect

@Dan

If you buy a Mac computer under the pretense that it's infallible you WILL be disappointed. Apple products are not perfect by any means, and the myth that Macs don't get viruses or freeze up is just that; a myth.

I have been using Mac OS since 2007 and I absolutely love my computers and will never go back to PC, but don't delude yourself into thinking that Macs don't have any problems.

Mac OS well designed, perhaps even better than Windows in many ways, but Windows is a good OS when put in the hands of an experienced user.

Macs can get viruses, just like PCs. It is less likely due to the low number of viruses coded for Mac and the way that the OS is set up, but it can still happen if you're not careful. As it were, a virus in the traditional sense (invading without consent) is unlikely as Mac OSX requires approval of all installations and that function cannot be turned off or easily bypassed (which is a good thing).

Like Windows, Mac OSX can freeze up if you're running too many programs at once. I, personally, have a boat load of RAM because I do a lot of simultaneous cross-program graphic design work/rendering that takes up a lot of memory and never have problems with this, but the extra RAM on a Mac computer can be rather expensive if you get it from the manufacturer, as opposed to installing it yourself (which is remarkably less expensive).

I recommend thoroughly researching your needs before making a decision. PCs are better for some professions/activities and Macs are better for others. I don't know what you do on the computer, but if all you do is browse the internet, type word documents, check email, and play games a Mac might be a bit too expensive for you needs. If you have the means though, a Mac is worth it.

When looking for a new computer be sure to exercise common sense. Research on your own, don't listen to Apple/PC fanboys as you will never get an unbiased answer. Fanboy-ism is all about loyalty and not so much about logic.

Mark Jun 5, 2010 4:41 PM

May all you Mac lovers be right...

Dan, I was very reluctant and am not disappointed. Give it a bit of time because it is different is many ways. I'm a mac for 18+ months now and I'm still learning neat ways of doing things easier, better, faster....

Dan Jun 5, 2010 4:15 PM

May all you Mac lovers be right...

I'm sitting at my desk,reading this article because i'm tired of fighting Windows to get things done. I'm going Mac. I grew up with Windows. Used it for gaming, IT ect. and face it. Its a mess. Its a great concept but it never works 100%. There's always some error message consuming time. There's always a craving to format a Windows PC! Why??

May the unknown Mac world not dissapoint me!

Mark May 31, 2010 1:01 PM

iTunes

Yes. iTunes is a stone in the shoe for some and incredibly convenient for others. iTunes, MobileMe, iDisk, and Quicktime work much better on the Mac than on Windows.

Neither OSX or Windows is perfect. There's lots of pain points on both if you want to detail specifics. Linux, too.

Bob May 31, 2010 10:07 AM

iTunes

Right, you mean the piece of softwear that overworks my CPU, and "magically" opens up when I plug my iPod in, even when I've told it not to. Not to mention, every single update it tries to install Safari 4 or MobileMe, why can't I sync music to my iPod using WMP?

Kakashi Hatake May 30, 2010 1:18 PM

I Use Both

I use both for different things. But i must say, for recording and mixing music, the MAC owns the PC sideways.

Mark May 25, 2010 12:35 PM

Looking for good advice? Don't read this discussion

This discussion has now been polluted by the typical mud slingers and idiots who've never actually used a Mac apart from maybe 10 minutes in a store, and are obviously trying to leverage hearsay as fact. Find another source if you're looking for objective and relevant advice.

R May 25, 2010 7:19 AM

RE: The Benefits of Mac vs. PC

Would like to point out a few things:

I personally think macs look disgusting.

I like the large touchpad, but hate the button system (you press to click the bottom half of the pad). Why oh why do you not want a proper button or the ability to just tap the pad? I thought this was merely software but according to a macbook fan he couldnt turn it on even if he wanted to.

Mac OSX - simple? eh? Maybe I am too used to Windows but I find it no simpler than Windows. Why have that bar across the bottom? "But the thing you are mousing over grows and it all your programmes are listed there"...yes and I can have shortcuts to all my programmes on my Windows desktop too! Plus I can get a dock programme if I really want a dock.

Macs do now have MS Office...but then so does Windows.

Compatibility with iPhone and iPods? I plugged my iPhone into my laptop and within 30 seconds the drivers were installed and ready to go. It takes iTunes longer to recognise its plugged it! Plus the drivers do not need to be reinstalled for that USB drive ever again.

OS flexibility - because you buy a Mac to use Windows or Linux...right? Then why would you sing praise of Snow Leopard?

Gestures - I can scroll vertically and horizontally on my touch pad with just one finger! Can't do that on a mac :P

Viruses - Only ever had one and that was from a usb stick I used in China. I kinda expected something since they were riddled with the things. People tend not to write viruses for mac because, lets be honest, why restrict your target base? If you want to be virtually virus free install Linux, few people care enough about it to bother

What also makes me laugh is how macs are offered as the 'fun' computer while games are written for the PC. Yes a lot of people will buy them on consoles citing 'upgrade costs' but that simply indicates their ignorance of computing.

rob May 24, 2010 11:53 PM

mac is the devil

for the love of god and your sanity if you have ever used a pc and thought about buying an overpriced mac do not, do not do it!
a mac is like a woman it has not reason no accountabilty and no usablity. it cannot even do the most simple of tasks. I cannot believe they charge what they do for these utterly useless 1982 equiped pieces of crap, PCs should charge twice what they are now and mac should be bought with a few coupons. Seriously don't make the same mistake I made. Think of the most simply thing you do on a PC. You can't do it on a mac or it is twice as hard. It is the devil believe me.....

Greg May 5, 2010 3:50 PM

oohhhh myyy, Sulu. I mean, Robb.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and have most likely never used a Mac for more than five minutes at a Best Buy.

The simple fact is that Macs are better at some things and PCs are better at others, which the writer of this article states at the beginning. This article, however, is about the advantages of Macs over PCs. It's not even saying that Macs are intrinsically better, it's just saying that there are some better qualities. You're foolish if you deny this. Your argument simply shows that you missed the point of the article.

Yeah, Macs are better at some things and PCs are better at others.

Now, why does Apple product design come into play here? Because Mac is well designed, that doesn't only mean that it's pretty. The Macbook Pro unibody design is brilliant, for instance. All important inputs/outputs/jacks and whatnot are located on the same side with makes for easy docking. Placing all of this on the left side also made it possible to make the Macbook thin, compact. So yeah, design is important.

You really have no idea what you're talking about so you should probably go back under your rock and continue irrationally hating Macs.

Peace.

Mark Apr 28, 2010 7:24 PM

PC Software

Cyndee,

You can run PC software on a mac, but you would need to use either Bootcamp (included with OSX) to dual boot into Windows, or buy a product such as Parallels or VMWare at a modest extra cost. In either case, you'd need to buy windows (assuming you are interested in being legal). Doing so would pretty much negate any cost/benefit of moving to a Mac.

I don't know what windows software you'd be reluctant to give up, but the Mac has something to replace most of Windows functionality used by the average user. Note, I'm not necessary talking about someone professionally engaged in, and tied to, PC/Windows specific technologies. I'm talking about the overwhelming majority of users, especially new users, who want a computer to surf the web, support photography and videography hobbies, run a small business, email, chat, etc.

I remain a Windows power user. I prefer the Mac for 95% of the non-professional things for which I use a computer. The only productivity and entertainment based things I miss from the PC world, and the reason I run Windows on my Mac at the extra expense, is Outlook (only for work purposes), OneNote ('cause I just like it), and ProShow Gold for photo slideshows.

I am a pro-sumer photographer and budding videographer. I've had no issues converting my photos and workflow over to the Mac. I use Aperture, iPhoto, and Photoshop to manage photos, iMovie and Final Cut Express for videos. They work just fine for me. Actually, I did have an issue with RAW photos from my (very old) Canon G2 for which I had to find a workaround. No issues with all of the other many and varied formats.

Don't get caught up in the rhetoric from evangelists for either of the platforms, few of them are objective, and most of them have no clue what they're talking about.

Mac hardware quality can only be compared to the more expensive PC hardware. In terms of productivity, general user experience and cost of ownership, don't ever take my Mac away.

Cyndee McElroy Apr 28, 2010 3:17 PM

PC software

If buy a Mac, will my pc software work on it as well?
Will my photos I have on disc work on Mac?

Baron Apr 22, 2010 7:54 PM

Nope

Your profile picture is of Edward Cullen, therefore this entire argument is in void.
Good day sir!

Ståle Tevik Apr 22, 2010 4:00 AM

RE: The Benefits of Mac vs. PC

It's an advantage that it is illegal to install mac os on anything other than a mac pc?

Design? When was that an advantage? Sure, it looks pretty, but that only matters if you're getting a computer to go with your couch and napkins. What does that have to do with the advantages of using a mac vs windows pc?

I'll grant you that the mac os is user friendly, but seriously, I've had more freeze-ups on a mac than on my pcs, overall. It's been about twelve years since I used a mac regularly, so I can imagine it's been improved, but when it comes to having easy access to all of your pcs functions windows has always been better for me(, except for Vista of course).

Mark Apr 19, 2010 4:02 PM

re: oooohhhh my.....

OK. I MUST pipe up. You sir, DO NOT know what you are talking about.

I'm an IT guy (programmer and super user). I started on mainframe computers in the 70's, and I've been using PCs since they were invented ( running DOS, Xenix, etc). I have owned only good quality, high powered PCs (many), none of which were less expensive than the current iMac desktop or the MacBook Pro. The immense cost of software and OS + Upgrades for the PCs drove the operating cost of the PCs out of sight. The hours spent learning how to optimize and fix issues with them drove the real cost even further. I have spent countless hours teaching less experienced or qualified friends how to use their PCs and fixing issues on their machines.

I bought my first mac in October 2008 (iMac). I liked the comparative cost (total cost of ownership) and the user experience so much I have since purchased a MacBook Pro. I run OS X, and Parallels Virtual Machine with Linux, and Windows 7. I use Win7 only because I must for full compatibility with legacy and very quirky work apps and networking setup).

I actually like a lot of things about Windows 7 and it does seem to be much more stable than previous versions. BUT, given my considerable knowledge and experience, I cannot in good conscience recommend Windows and PCs over the Mac to anyone who is not technically inclined and knowlegable, and/or is much more interested in using the thing vs. spending lots of time learning and tinkering with it.

Since buying the iMac (roughly 18 months ago) I have spent no more than about a half day configuring, installing, learning the necessities, getting cameras (digital video and still), appleTV, wireless networking, remote wireless speakers & iTunes, VPNs, and much more) to work properly and together. It all works, and it's pretty much seamless.

"98%" of businesses use Windows ONLY because they have too big an investment in it to change (HW, SW, and support skills). I know because I'm one of the decision makers.

Mr Balancer Apr 15, 2010 10:26 AM

Come on robb!!

I came here looking for some balanced advice - not your petty prejudices. Is it that you are just having a laugh, because otherwise, you've written such a lot of rubbish? Yes let's ignore the writer's vaild point: Macs run TWO good operating systems but PCs run only ONE (=50%). Businesses use Windows mostly because they are cheaper and for most businesses money is everything. Try to be more constructive in the rest of your life.

rob Apr 14, 2010 4:15 PM

MAC all the Way

Everything this article says is true. I have owned many windows based PCs and laptops over the years both custom made and brand names. I have had countless problems that have cost me hours upon hours of my time to get it fixed. Thank god I did not have to pay anyone. I have a lot of knowledge on windows based PCs, have been fixing them ever since I can remember, this is because microsoft and windows is the most unreliable product ever made. I was very reluctant in buying a MAC because of its cost and because of knowledge issues (if it were to braek I would not know how to fix it). 5 years and couting, no error messages, not a single virus or a problem. Oh also it has not slowed down one bit, still as fast as the day I bought, There is no way in hell windows could have lasted that long and for people that say they do, well they are LIARS. Also MACs are very versatile which was a worry for me when I first purchased it. 99% of all programs out there have a Mac version. I would never go back to windows ever again.

robb Apr 7, 2010 3:37 AM

ooohhhh my.....

lol, funny how mac's biggest advantage is that you can install windows on it as well, how convenient, go figure.... and versatility! whoever wrote this obviously has no business writing on this topic... mac is notorious for not being versatile! Look into why 98% of businesses use windows, because its versatile....mac users buy substandard hardware components at outrageous prices to use a crappy operating system that doesn't have near the performance or capability of windows.... so when something breaks, you are screwed into having some idiot with long feather bangs and tight jeans to fix it.